Traded the MS3 in today on a....

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

Originally Posted by fortressofcomfort 11s with some mods maybe.... These are low 12 second cars stock. Totally traction limited. Still they come with some pretty fine meat. Keep in mind this car has the 556hp version of the supercharged (LS9 is it?) It's not *quite* the same as the Corvette ZR-1 with its 638hp I think. I can imagine a few simple upgrades (exhaust, s/c pulley) will get the Caddy to 638hp without issue :-) People say 200hp is too much for FWD. Well, there is a limit to RWD as well. The CTS-V and ZR1 both push the limit. This is why a GT-R is nearly 1 second faster 0-60 (GT-R = 0-60mph in 2.7 seconds stock vs CTS-V 0-60mph in 3.4 seconds stock) and can do it with less hp. And if that's not enough, the GT-R (2012 model) is faster than a Bugatti Veyron and Porsche 911 Turbo from 0-60. It has the fastest 0-60 time of any production car in the world. After 60 its all over for the GT-R though. That's kinda why I get boners over the GT-R. It's a everyday, every condition, foolproof monster that would take an idiot to put in the ditch. Its a well rounded machine, well thought out. I don't particularly like the looks of it, and of course a Ferrari sounds better, but you better believe that EVERY auto manufacturer has a GT-R in a dark, back room somewhere unbolting it to see exactly how Nissan did it. That's kinda why I never really got boners over Vettes and other overpowered RWD cars. To me, once you cross say 400hp, RWD is no longer adequate. Trust me I love the CTS-V esp the wagon but you will have the same kinds of traction issues as with your 300hp MS3. The difference being that the MS3 will simply wander along the road whereas the CTS-V will put you in a ditch. So please be careful. I trust Bubba Ho-Tep to be a skilled driver; that being said there are numerous accounts of unskilled drivers putting these cars in the ditch.

I agree with you- though having "too much" power has never been a complaint of mine. In fact I feel plagued with the "never enough" curse. 600+ HP is great for roll racing from 100.

In all seriousness I was cross shopping the Z06 (used), '13 GT500 (new), and GTR (used). The few Z06's I looked into (all 2009's with low milage) I ended up getting offered high finance rates for a used car, somewhere between 7-8%. IMHO that's too high for someone with credit score just south of 800. Apparently the banks that the dealerships I dealt with weren't offering competitive rates, nor was my own personal bank.

The 2013 GT500 is so ridiculous in power output it actually ended up on my radar...never been much of a Mustang guy before (not that I had anything against them). However I dealt with about 1/2 a dozen dealers and ALL of them were marking the car up 20k+ over MSRP. I think the GT500 is an amazing car and all but not for 80k....no thanks.

There were only a few GTRs I looked at, however they were at the ceiling of the budget I allotted myself. However the one I narrowed it down to had 20k miles on it. Yeah, I know...it's not much but after shopping Z06's with 3k and less it sounds like a lot. Not to mention the 68k asking price for a used car. Also the 2010 model I was looking at didn't have launch control and wasn't as clean as I had hoped. Amazing car none the less- I'd love to own a 2013 model, ran the numbers and found that it would be like paying a second mortgage.

My friend is a car salesman at a large local chain of auto mall. He's the one that mentioned coming in to check out the 2012 CTS-V they had, explained the 2012's have aggressive rebates and customer cash. Previous to that it wasn't even on my radar (due to the majority of the MSRPs north of 70k). Now I'm totally into it, as it really is a luxury Corvette. They respond well to mods and is the best blend of luxury and power I've ever personally driven. Turns a LOT of heads too. Get comments about it everywhere I go, even strangers starting up conversations with me (for better or worse).

Originally Posted by I<3Groceries Bubba Ho-Tep was a great movie. I haven't seen it in a while. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

dontbecruel now...

[Tokay444]

Originally Posted by fortressofcomfort 11s with some mods maybe.... These are low 12 second cars stock. Totally traction limited. Still they come with some pretty fine meat. Keep in mind this car has the 556hp version of the supercharged (LS9 is it?) It's not *quite* the same as the Corvette ZR-1 with its 638hp I think. I can imagine a few simple upgrades (exhaust, s/c pulley) will get the Caddy to 638hp without issue :-) People say 200hp is too much for FWD. Well, there is a limit to RWD as well. The CTS-V and ZR1 both push the limit. This is why a GT-R is nearly 1 second faster 0-60 (GT-R = 0-60mph in 2.7 seconds stock vs CTS-V 0-60mph in 3.4 seconds stock) and can do it with less hp. And if that's not enough, the GT-R (2012 model) is faster than a Bugatti Veyron and Porsche 911 Turbo from 0-60. It has the fastest 0-60 time of any production car in the world. After 60 its all over for the GT-R though. That's kinda why I get boners over the GT-R. It's a everyday, every condition, foolproof monster that would take an idiot to put in the ditch. Its a well rounded machine, well thought out. I don't particularly like the looks of it, and of course a Ferrari sounds better, but you better believe that EVERY auto manufacturer has a GT-R in a dark, back room somewhere unbolting it to see exactly how Nissan did it. That's kinda why I never really got boners over Vettes and other overpowered RWD cars. To me, once you cross say 400hp, RWD is no longer adequate. Trust me I love the CTS-V esp the wagon but you will have the same kinds of traction issues as with your 300hp MS3. The difference being that the MS3 will simply wander along the road whereas the CTS-V will put you in a ditch. So please be careful. I trust Bubba Ho-Tep to be a skilled driver; that being said there are numerous accounts of unskilled drivers putting these cars in the ditch.

You're nuts!
There's is no limit to rwd.
When was the last time you saw and alcohol funny car run anything but rwd?
Ps. Gtr is for fags who play too many video games.
Blanket statements are blanket.

[TiGraySpeed6]

In the "real world", not on the drag strip, there is no denying that the GT-R out-launches pretty much anything available at this time. It's combination of AWD, LC, gearing and power is just about the right mix.

Is a top fuel funny car or dragster faster to 60/100/mach3? sure, but your comparing apples to potatoes there....

Add in some rain and a few corners, and the difference is even more pronounced. Hell, just ask Audi about penalty weight....

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

Regardless of how much I love the GTR (and I DO love it), it's not considered a driver's car.

[Dre01SS]

I'll be in the same boat next year, looking into a used C6Z... Just curious, how much did you get for trade value on the MS3?

And congrats on the CTS-V, awesome ride!

[sick_role]

I want an LS7 so damn bad...that's a few years out though...

...still...VIDS MUTHAFUCKA! sheesh...

[Tokay444]

Originally Posted by TiGraySpeed6 In the "real world", not on the drag strip, there is no denying that the GT-R out-launches pretty much anything available at this time. It's combination of AWD, LC, gearing and power is just about the right mix. Is a top fuel funny car or dragster faster to 60/100/mach3? sure, but your comparing apples to potatoes there.... Add in some rain and a few corners, and the difference is even more pronounced. Hell, just ask Audi about penalty weight....

The engineers at Nissan aren't car designers. They're computer programmers. As evident by how fucking UGLY that thing is.

[Southernace76]

Awesome car man! Congrats! My favorite version has to be the wagon though.

[lilred]

CTS-V? Man I've spanked one of those...











Then the salesman yelled at me. Haha nice man CONGRATS!
I saw these in an auto a while back real nice although I found myself circling the wagon more with my girlfriend saying "its just a wagon"

tapafuck

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

Originally Posted by Dre01SS I'll be in the same boat next year, looking into a used C6Z... Just curious, how much did you get for trade value on the MS3? And congrats on the CTS-V, awesome ride!

I got beat up bad on the trade. The car is only 6 months old with 3500 miles on it (non tech). The two smaller dealers with C6Z offered me 20 (not bad!). But the financing rates were sky high.

I even went to Kerbeck in AC. The biggest Vette dealer in the world. Amazing prices on new Vettes, discounted 9-11k! However they decided to be asshats with the trade. They offered me....get this.....$15k. GTFO I walked out.

Anyway to make a long story short I got 18.5k at the dealer where I picked up the CTS-V. Any time you have a trade it give the dealer leverage to sweeten the deal for them.

Originally Posted by sick_role I want an LS7 so damn bad...that's a few years out though... ...still...VIDS MUTHAFUCKA! sheesh...

Still waiting for my Opulent Blue CTS-V Coupe to arrive from Massachusetts. Should be here sometime next week. *I returned the black diamond cts-v the very next day to get one with base non-recaro seats* I know if I had waited they wouldn't be as willing to swap the car out.

[lilred]

IMHO I like to go to carmax as they don't haggle with trade in, get there offer and after the dealer lowballs you show it to them and tell them beat this or I'm not buying. Have seen them match or give slightly more that way

tapafuck

[TiGraySpeed6]

like the blue, but why give up the recaro's?

[ms3blackmica]

Good shit

you better mod that bitch!

Sadly, i know more about LS engines than i do anything. This is the result of having all friends with camaros lol

You can make cheap easy power. Good luck with it !

[gearhead750]

Dibbs on Cobb CBE.

[lilred]

Originally Posted by gearhead750 Dibbs on Cobb CBE.

Haha I'm anxious to see how much the Dp goes for cause I am interested in that

tapafuck

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

Originally Posted by TiGraySpeed6 like the blue, but why give up the recaro's?

Apparently my hips are too wide. The bolsters on the seat bottoms were cutting into the back corners of my quads instead of supporting them from the sides. I have this issue in most seats. I could lose 50lbs (which I need to!) and it would still be an issue. It's just the way I'm built.

For the record I LOVE the look and support of the recaros- dare I even say they are "worth" the $3400 msrp upgrade. It would all be good if I was built like a normal human.

Originally Posted by gearhead750 Dibbs on Cobb CBE.

I'm getting all the stuff together. I'm going to have A LOT to sell. All mint, and all top shelf brands/products. Including some stuff that's is brand new (never installed/still in packages).

I just have to photograph it all and follow the forum rules for posting it (i.e. with a sheet w/ date and user-name).

Originally Posted by ms3blackmica Good shit you better mod that bitch! Sadly, i know more about LS engines than i do anything. This is the result of having all friends with camaros lol You can make cheap easy power. Good luck with it !

Absolutely will do! Upper and lower pulley, Headers, Exhaust, Intake, T-Stat, larger heat exchanger, and Tune. In other words- all the basic bolt ons. With the right combo of parts and tune it should net north of 600 crank hp.

[MS3MYK]

Originally Posted by ms3blackmica Good shit you better mod that bitch! Sadly, i know more about LS engines than i do anything. This is the result of having all friends with camaros lol You can make cheap easy power. Good luck with it !

Its a pushrod motor, what is there to know????

[ms3blackmica]

Originally Posted by MS3MYK Its a pushrod motor, what is there to know????

lmao

I meant in regards to all the various setups, part combinations, cams, heads, etc... that are possible. I also know a lot about their tuning. My best friends tunes LS engines requently and i've done a couple tunes with him.

[MS3MYK]

Originally Posted by ms3blackmica lmao I meant in regards to all the various setups, part combinations, cams, heads, etc... that are possible. I also know a lot about their tuning. My best friends tunes LS engines requently and i've done a couple tunes with him.

I knew what you meant, just had to give you shit lmao.

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[ms3blackmica]

Originally Posted by MS3MYK I knew what you meant, just had to give you shit lmao. Sent from my EVO LTE

LOLZ

you got me....not ganna lie

push rod motors are awesome though.

don't even have to re-time the engine to fix a head gasket -__-

[Tokay444]

Lol@child baring hips.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

Originally Posted by Tokay444 Lol@child baring hips.

Aparrently I was fathered by Grimace.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

Just got a call from the dealer- the new one just arrived. Heading in to pick it up momentarily!!!

[TiGraySpeed6]

PICS OF THE NEW BLUE HOTNESS!!

I forget, was Grimace blue or purple? Might be fate....

[Tokay444]

Blurple

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

Here you go fellas! Only a few cell phone pics for now. Took them when the salesman drove us to go fill it up with 93 at a local station:

[Chimmike]

ok, since nobody corrected the dude who called the motor in the cts-v a ls9, wrong, it's classified the lsa.

[fortressofcomfort]

I personally can't keep track of any of that LS numbering stuff.

There's about 2 specifications that are the same between GM's modern pushrod V8 and Ed Cole's original 265 cubic inch masterpiece introduced in the 1955 Chevy Bel Air. On Center bore spacing of 4.4" and a 90 degree configuration. My point is there is plenty to know about GM's V8 pushrod engines (small block) as they have evolved over time, going through many iterations.

Congratulations Bubba. After you break her in we need pics of big smoky burnouts and rolling burnouts at 70mph. You know you want to do it, but do you have the cojones? If you can afford this car you can afford a go-pro.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

Originally Posted by fortressofcomfort I personally can't keep track of any of that LS numbering stuff. There's about 2 specifications that are the same between GM's modern pushrod V8 and Ed Cole's original 265 cubic inch masterpiece introduced in the 1955 Chevy Bel Air. On Center bore spacing of 4.4" and a 90 degree configuration. My point is there is plenty to know about GM's V8 pushrod engines (small block) as they have evolved over time, going through many iterations. Congratulations Bubba. After you break her in we need pics of big smoky burnouts and rolling burnouts at 70mph. You know you want to do it, but do you have the cojones? If you can afford this car you can afford a go-pro.

Haha- patiently waiting for the Sony Action Cam!

[fortressofcomfort]

This may shed some light on the confusion. Some of this is straight from Wikipedia. Currently here are the "top shelf" small block V8s that GM is making:

- The LS7 is the big (size wise) boy. It is a true 427ci "small block" that powers the Corvette Z06. It revs high and spits out 505hp @6300rpms. It is naturally aspirated. Yes, in the past there was a 427 "big block" but it is nowhere near related to the LS7.

- The LS9 is the beast. This is the one in the current Corvette ZR-1 (I'll take my Z06 convertible in black please). They couldn't use the LS7's block because it is so maxed out (over-bored) that its pressed in cylinder liners and supercharging wouldn't have gotten along too well. Therefore the LS9 is actually based on the LS3 which is the 6.2L naturally aspirated engine used in base Corvettes and the Camaro SS. The LS9 is equipped with an Eaton four-lobe Roots type supercharger and has a compression ratio of 9.1:1. Power output is rated 638 bhp (476 kW) at 6500 rpm and 604 lb·ft (819 N·m) at 3800 rpm.

Now on to Bubba's new toy:
- The LSA
The supercharged 6.2L LSA is similar to the LS9 and debuted in the 2009 Cts-v. The LSA has been SAE certified at 556 bhp (415 kW) at 6100 rpm and 551 lb·ft (747 N·m) at 3800 rpm. The LSA features a smaller 1.9L capacity supercharger rather than the 2.3 L variant of the LS9. Other differences include a slightly lower 9.0:1 compression ratio, single unit heat exchanger and cast pistons.
On February 9, 2011 Chevy Announced that the LSA will be used in the 2012 Camaro ZL1; it adds an additional 24 hp to make 580 hp, 30 hp over the original 530 hp rated ZL1, with some stock 550 hp examples in existence.

Applications:
2009–Present Cadillac CTS-V
2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1


So to summarize Bubba has a detuned version of GM's most powerful engine ever made. It is basically a Corvette ZR-1 engine that has been purposely detuned. My theory is that its all marketing based.... A Cadillac cannot be faster than GM's flagship sports car, say the marketers, therefore we have the LSA (with ONLY 556hp @6100rpms (must be a bit of a revver hmmm). It is a common tactic used in the automotive industry.

Some of my own personal notes:
1) Since this motor is also used in the Camaro ZL-1, and GM is already introducing factory power upgrades and such, and the Shelby Mustang is still in existence with a mere 100hp bump for 2013 (for competition I mean), and its basic design is the same as the monster LS9, I can imagine at least a good to very good aftermarket support for this motor even though quantities will be low and I bet prices will be high. No more $150 cat removal jobs on the CTS-V unfortunately.

2) It appears that the detuning process GM used is fairly straightforward. Get yourself the bigger blower off of an LS9 (and there will soon be plenty with the way fools are already driving these kinds of car around) or perhaps an even bigger blower since the LSA has a lower compression ratio (allows more boost). Not sure what a "single unit heat exchanger is" but I would imagine something akin to an intercooler for a turbocharged car. Finally, the pistons being cast isn't such a big deal; as long as your tune is spot on or slightly conservative, I personally wouldn't matter what they were made of.

3) I would bet my paycheck that many of the components featuring these supercharged motors are shared. In other words, I would imagine the 6-speed manual trans in the Caddy CTS-V to be the same one as in the Camaro ZL-1 and Corvette ZR-1, meaning its built to take serious punishment; same goes for the clutch and at least parts of the rest of the driveline.

4) Profit? I'm tired of typing. Just start saving for tires (I'm guess they are about $350 a corner for something decent/summer tires) and leave the damned traction control on for at least a few months until you get used to how the car reacts at high speeds. I'm sure 100mph is attainable in under 10 seconds (and probably with 3 gears lol) so things will happen very quickly in this car.

Here's the wiki link I got a lot of my info from:

GM LS engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

GM_LS_engine

Cheers Bubba! We want daily updates. Brake it in hard I say. I've always broken in my cars hard. I mean I let the brakes break-in and do a tiny bit of a break in (maybe 300-500 miles) but I'm a firm believer that extended break-in periods are worse for the car because you aren't setting it up like its going to be driven the rest of its life. Like a child, its formative years are the most crucial and become the building blocks for the rest of its life. That's my humble opinion. It might be different behind the wheel of a 556hp 6-speed Cadillac that cost whatever you paid for it $65k? 70k? I'm too tired to look.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

Originally Posted by fortressofcomfort Cheers Bubba! We want daily updates. Brake it in hard I say. I've always broken in my cars hard. I mean I let the brakes break-in and do a tiny bit of a break in (maybe 300-500 miles) but I'm a firm believer that extended break-in periods are worse for the car because you aren't setting it up like its going to be driven the rest of its life. Like a child, its formative years are the most crucial and become the building blocks for the rest of its life. That's my humble opinion. It might be different behind the wheel of a 556hp 6-speed Cadillac that cost whatever you paid for it $65k? 70k? I'm too tired to look.

Thanks for the write up- I was actually wondering what the major difference between the LSA and LS9 where. Apparently it breaks down to compression ratio and style of blower. Yes the "heat exchanger" is exactly what it sounds like- an "intercooler" for the blower.

My dealer sourced the car roughly 300 miles, out of state. Unfortunately it already had 370 miles on the odo when it arrived. Supposedly the sales manager was driving it. I guess it's better than sitting- according to the computer program my salesman was using that dealership had the car for the better part of a calendar year.

Anyway- back to my point. I've been driving it "regularly" in other words the way I would usually drive it. 95% of the time very smooth and "average" and 5% of the time balls to the wall. So yes I've been opening it up- even with less than 400 miles on the odo. It accelerates soooo fast. The coupe is the fastest to 60 with a recorded/advertised time of 3.9 seconds. It feels every bit that fast.

It's just like the LS3 Corvette in that it does feel to pull even harder close to redline- which coincides with the rpm range of peak hp. When going WOT it breaks loose shifting from 1-2 and 2-3. Not just a chirp either, we are talking full on squirly rear. Sometimes so much so I have to let off the gas to avoid beginning a rolling burn-out. So yes the car has more power than grip bone stock. I can't imagine what it's going to be like when I add 100hp or so with bolt-ons. Though it may be outfitted with run-flats, the trunk has a tire goo-pump instead of a spare. I'll have to check tomorrow morning to confirm.

I have to go back to the dealer tomorrow to get the rear suspension looked at. It's sitting way higher than it should. The black one had 2.5" of wheel gap in the rear- this one seems to have close to 4". I don't know why the rear suspension is sitting so high. I don't believe they use suspension blocks when shipping but it'll be work looking into sooner than later.

The front bumper has a scrape right on the front crease. If you look closely in the photos you can see it, faintly. I'm torn on whether I should just have the dealer give me touch-up paint or demand it be re-sprayed. The obsessiveness in me has me vacillating about this imperfection. Especially considering it's oddly symmetric location.

[RallySportDirect]

Congrats on the new car and I think I would personally consider a 4 door if I was ready for a super nice classy ride. I just love my stiff coilovers to much to upgrade just yet I was actually just looking at the Brembo Brakes that the V has and would love to have those beast of brakes on my car May have to see what it would take to get them to work...

Thanks,
Dallin

[NoTraction]

My neighbor I auto X with(cooper s t/c) bought a wagon V and let me drive it. Great car, great choice.. Hope its everything you want it to be.
~NT~

[Tokay444]

Is 6000rpm really a high revving v8 for you guys?

[G26]

Get them to take care of that shit, no way would I be paying for a new car, especially one that's 50k plus and its not in perfect condition.


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