What did you do to your ride today?

[AwAfrican]

Originally Posted by elementality199 thanks for the heads up. out of everything i got. thats the only thing I'm not looking forward to installing

Take your time I couple of us had an install party for them yesterday got 2 done in somewhere around 4.5 hrs and 12 beer later...so naturally the beer added time.
it's honestly not that bad follow the instructions cs has are pretty detailed ones

Originally Posted by speedfreak44 It isn't hard at all don't worry about it. Just do not overlube everything. A little goes a long way. Zip tie the bottom line so the bolt doesn't fall down in the engine bay. Be clean. New gloves often. I used a normal hammer and tapped nicely on the tappet to seat it. No damage happened. When using the screwdriver method it wasn't giving enough force to seat it. If worried you can use a small piece of wood between the surfaces just make sure everything is really clean before installing. Better yet use a hard plastic mallet.

Exactly what we used yesterday was a rubber mallet

[MortalMechanica]

Originally Posted by MammaFreed3 bought new wheel cleaner, Eagle One. Best cleaner I've used so far, i just wish the spray was a little wider, you use up a lot of the stuff because the foam comes out in a narrow stream. $6 goes pretty quickly but cleaner wheels make the car go way faster.

I just went through a bottle of the stuff. Miracle juice. and I can't quite place the smell.. seems familiar...

Well first 5000 mile oil change since I got her. Kept going with the Rotella T6. Really having a hard time with that oil canister thing (my first car with one of those)

Previous owner nearly rounded it out and I didn't help it this time. Replacement on the next Oil change.

Also I realize how annoying those little side moldings are.... They might have to go. Considering I just had to drop some money to have a PDR shop smooth out a dent that some fuck put in my door, the moldings do jack fuck except look cheap.

[Awal]

Originally Posted by MortalMechanica I just went through a bottle of the stuff. Miracle juice. and I can't quite place the smell.. seems familiar... Well first 5000 mile oil change since I got her. Kept going with the Rotella T6. Really having a hard time with that oil canister thing (my first car with one of those) Previous owner nearly rounded it out and I didn't help it this time. Replacement on the next Oil change.

Was the smell rootbeer? I worked in a large detail shop when I was younger and the rim cleaner always smelt like rootbeer, maybe a little like Dr. Pepper.

Sucks the prev owner almost wrecked your thread for your oil filter, people so often overtighten them. Always coat the new rubber gasket with a tad a fresh oil, screw it on hand tight snug, then give it 1/4-1/2 turn and it should never be too hard to remove.

[Finchee]

Originally Posted by sleeveless How do you like it I put my jbr 88 on Wednesday and I'm surprised that it isn't as hard as I thought it was going to be. Its stiff no doubt but nowhere near a complaint level ( some have complained)

I like it very much. I think the improvement in shifting, drivability and the extra exhaust volume outweighs the increased NVH. I mean it vibes a lot, especially at that 1300-1400 RPM range, but I think I can live with it. If the vibrations die down as the mount breaks in, then all the better.

You can read more of my thoughts on it here:
RMM testing and review diaries

[g00s3y]

Took the stock sub from my MS3 and put it in the gf 2015 Sonata, fits just like it does in the MS3.

Couldn't find the same size/thread bolt that was there, so just went to Ace, got a different bolt, and threaded the hole to fit it. Hooked it all up with a small 200w amp (turned down to about 10%), and it makes the stock system in the Sonata so much better. No it isn't a seat rattler, but songs have actual bass to them now.

Oh and tomorrow I'm relocating my battery to the trunk(since this thread is about my car, and not a Hyundai), will be fun. More pictures shall follow.

[Awal]

Originally Posted by g00s3y Took the stock sub from my MS3 and put it in the gf 2015 Sonata, fits just like it does in the MS3.

I have wanted to go to a 8"(easier) or a 10"(barely fits) with an amp to a 'jack box enclosure', it would be nice to have enough sound to takes out all 3 major MMounts + not catted TBE. I have seen some custom spare wheel-well 10".

For now the stock 6" Bose woofer +9 speakers is enough for the Mounts, but once the 3.5 intake is in + 3" turbo back.. I'd like a lil more bass and sound, I'll be able to turn the bass down inside the car with a better sub, the stocks should go pretty good.

Can you put a small amp on the stock 6", i know Bose has it set up to an amp and equalizer, it does serious work for it's size. Just wondering, wondering as well if an 8 would fit in the stock spare plastic box (with some custom fab work).

[sleeveless]

Originally Posted by Awal I have wanted to go to a 8"(easier) or a 10"(barely fits) with an amp to a 'jack box enclosure', it would be nice to have enough sound to takes out all 3 major MMounts + not catted TBE. I have seen some custom spare wheel-well 10". For now the stock 6" Bose woofer +9 speakers is enough for the Mounts, but once the 3.5 intake is in + 3" turbo back.. I'd like a lil more bass and sound, I'll be able to turn the bass down inside the car with a better sub, the stocks should go pretty good. Can you put a small amp on the stock 6", i know Bose has it set up to an amp and equalizer, it does serious work for it's size. Just wondering, wondering as well if an 8 would fit in the stock spare plastic box (with some custom fab work).

I don't see why not every wire you need is under your pass side seat (amp location)

[g00s3y]

Originally Posted by Awal I have wanted to go to a 8"(easier) or a 10"(barely fits) with an amp to a 'jack box enclosure', it would be nice to have enough sound to takes out all 3 major MMounts + not catted TBE. I have seen some custom spare wheel-well 10". For now the stock 6" Bose woofer +9 speakers is enough for the Mounts, but once the 3.5 intake is in + 3" turbo back.. I'd like a lil more bass and sound, I'll be able to turn the bass down inside the car with a better sub, the stocks should go pretty good. Can you put a small amp on the stock 6", i know Bose has it set up to an amp and equalizer, it does serious work for it's size. Just wondering, wondering as well if an 8 would fit in the stock spare plastic box (with some custom fab work).

I have a 10" side mount box, made by a fellow MS3 member, everything fits easily, nothing was "barely fitting". JL Audio has a spare tire box I believe, it's $650 I think.

I put the same amp I had on the kicker 10" in my car, on the stock Bose sub I threw in the Sonata. Turned the gain almost all the way down, and it's been fine for the past 24 hours.

[Awal]

Originally Posted by sleeveless I don't see why not every wire you need is under your pass side seat (amp location)

Yeah I am I familiar with the ease of access for all of the wires, and have installed a ton of stereos in my day, luckily everything is there to run something else. I was just wondering if i could run a little better/bigger 8" in the stock bose plastic box, but I haven't even removed it to look yet.

Originally Posted by g00s3y I have a 10" side mount box, made by a fellow MS3 member, everything fits easily, nothing was "barely fitting". JL Audio has a spare tire box I believe, it's $650 I think. I put the same amp I had on the kicker 10" in my car, on the stock Bose sub I threw in the Sonata. Turned the gain almost all the way down, and it's been fine for the past 24 hours.

Most of the jack boxes (side mounts) that I saw that used a 10" were super thin walled fiberglass units with very little room for the magnet/air, and yeah, $650 is way more than i'd be willing to spend on a unported fiberglass box. The 8" seemed to fit and use what little displacement you have a lot better, but there were still a few 8's that wouldn't fit due to magnet clearance. I might spend like $200 on a box tops.

I'll probably just end up making my own that replaces the stock 6" in the spare, that method seems to net a bit better air ratio for 10", and seems like a sturdier mounting location (insulated by the spare, weight down low and in the middle).


thanks for the feedback

[g00s3y]

Originally Posted by Awal Yeah I am I familiar with the ease of access for all of the wires, and have installed a ton of stereos in my day, luckily everything is there to run something else. I was just wondering if i could run a little better/bigger 8" in the stock bose plastic box, but I haven't even removed it to look yet.

It would be a lot of custom work to try and get an 8" to fit in there (the stock sub is actually ~5.5", not 6" or 8"), and even then if it fit, I can't imagine it sounding that great. You can remove those 6 bolts and everything is right there. A lot of plastic and very little sub.

@JTMS3; makes the boxes (not sure if he is still doing it), here is a thread - Zoom Boom box

Not thin walled, or anything of low quality. Made very well, fits perfectly, and still keeps a very stock look in the back.

[Awal]

yeah, that's a bit dif than the other jack box designs I've seen (much wider face, the other ones pretty much just used the stock jack cover as a face), a 10" with a smaller magnet would easily fit, altho a proper 8" would probably sound almost as good or better considering it's only .3 ft3.

[MD1032]

I started an 87 tune for the first time tonight. It's been really interesting so far. I'm doing this as a way of forcing myself to learn some new tuning strategies, and I feel that I've already learned a lot. So far, numbers are about 210-215 vdyno WHP compared to 255-265 on my 93 tune, but if I went back to my 93 tune, I think I could get those numbers a tad higher with what I've learned.

The results so far from 87 honestly are a little better than I expected. Butt dyno says that this could basically pass as stock at current power levels (I also had a very slow car from the factory, however).

I think I'll roll 87 for a couple more tanks (or until I can't stand not having real power anymore), then switch back and see what I can do with 93 again.

[steevieg]

oil change!

[Awal]

Originally Posted by MD1032 I think I'll roll 87 for a couple more tanks (or until I can't stand not having real power anymore), then switch back and see what I can do with 93 again.

I don't think you will last thru to a 2nd full tank of 87. I think that considering what you have learnt (and obviously want to put into practice) you will be on at least 91-93 PDQ. Unless there's more to learn I just can't see someone rolling with -45hp and -55tq just cause you can. but please, prove me wrong. Or actually prove me right, I would love to see you apply the knowledge you have learned to your 93 tune.

[stoickiwi]

Originally Posted by MD1032 I started an 87 tune for the first time tonight. It's been really interesting so far. I'm doing this as a way of forcing myself to learn some new tuning strategies, and I feel that I've already learned a lot. So far, numbers are about 210-215 vdyno WHP compared to 255-265 on my 93 tune, but if I went back to my 93 tune, I think I could get those numbers a tad higher with what I've learned. The results so far from 87 honestly are a little better than I expected. Butt dyno says that this could basically pass as stock at current power levels (I also had a very slow car from the factory, however). I think I'll roll 87 for a couple more tanks (or until I can't stand not having real power anymore), then switch back and see what I can do with 93 again.

Kudos for trying something new and different. I can totally see this being practical to load on an AP just in case travels take you somewhere where 91-93 isn't readily available.
As it progresses, I would totally make a thread.

[UnionThug]

Got my cobb ap v3 today.
Thanks @EdgeAutosport.com; for the quick delivery!

[speedfreak44]

Tightened down all the connections preturbo as I have been having some weird idle issues when stopping. The car likes to bounce idle rpm from about 600-1100 rpm for a few seconds before settling down. Stft are usually 5 or less and ltft seems to be sitting steady at 6. Haven't tested the car out yet though as my findings in the Inlet hose have me a little worried

[sleeveless]

Originally Posted by MD1032 I started an 87 tune for the first time tonight. It's been really interesting so far. I'm doing this as a way of forcing myself to learn some new tuning strategies, and I feel that I've already learned a lot. So far, numbers are about 210-215 vdyno WHP compared to 255-265 on my 93 tune, but if I went back to my 93 tune, I think I could get those numbers a tad higher with what I've learned. The results so far from 87 honestly are a little better than I expected. Butt dyno says that this could basically pass as stock at current power levels (I also had a very slow car from the factory, however). I think I'll roll 87 for a couple more tanks (or until I can't stand not having real power anymore), then switch back and see what I can do with 93 again.

I think we may have a new tuning company lol.

[g00s3y]

Originally Posted by MD1032 I started an 87 tune for the first time tonight. It's been really interesting so far. I'm doing this as a way of forcing myself to learn some new tuning strategies, and I feel that I've already learned a lot. So far, numbers are about 210-215 vdyno WHP compared to 255-265 on my 93 tune, but if I went back to my 93 tune, I think I could get those numbers a tad higher with what I've learned. The results so far from 87 honestly are a little better than I expected. Butt dyno says that this could basically pass as stock at current power levels (I also had a very slow car from the factory, however). I think I'll roll 87 for a couple more tanks (or until I can't stand not having real power anymore), then switch back and see what I can do with 93 again.

Living in PA, you should definitely be able to get those numbers a bit higher. This is my last vdyno from my 93 tune, I didn't actually finish it (because full e85 tests), but this is with hot ass FL temps and humidity.

Personally, I wouldn't run the 87 in the MS3, there really isn't much to learn. Gas mileage might go up (because of a less heavy foot, in my case at least), but that would be expected.

[MD1032]

Originally Posted by g00s3y Living in PA, you should definitely be able to get those numbers a bit higher. This is my last vdyno from my 93 tune, I didn't actually finish it (because full e85 tests), but this is with hot ass FL temps and humidity. Personally, I wouldn't run the 87 in the MS3, there really isn't much to learn. Gas mileage might go up, but that would be expected.

Thanks for the info. What mods did you have during that time where you got the 288?

I knew my numbers were a bit low. Hence the experiment.

[Vansquish]

Originally Posted by g00s3y Living in PA, you should definitely be able to get those numbers a bit higher. This is my last vdyno from my 93 tune, I didn't actually finish it (because full e85 tests), but this is with hot ass FL temps and humidity. Personally, I wouldn't run the 87 in the MS3, there really isn't much to learn. Gas mileage might go up, but that would be expected.

Gas mileage should absolutely not go up with an 87 Octane tune. No matter what you do, you can't run as much ignition advance on 87 as you can on 91 or 93, nor can you run as lean without having a goodly amount of KR.

[g00s3y]

Originally Posted by Vansquish Gas mileage should absolutely not go up with an 87 Octane tune. No matter what you do, you can't run as much ignition advance on 87 as you can on 91 or 93, nor can you run as lean without having a goodly amount of KR.

I should have been more clear, wasn't really meaning tune wise, more so less heavy foot on gas pedal I would think. Just because of running a lower octane, less WOT, at least I would just to be safe if I had to run 87.

Originally Posted by MD1032 Thanks for the info. What mods did you have during that time where you got the 288? I knew my numbers were a bit low. Hence the experiment.

The same ones I have now.

Before when I was only Cobb SRI/TIP, Internals, TBE, I believe I was putting out around 275/315 VD. This was about a year ago, so I might be remembering the numbers incorrectly.

[Vansquish]

Originally Posted by g00s3y I should have been more clear, wasn't really meaning tune wise, more so less heavy foot on gas pedal I would think. Just because of running a lower octane, less WOT, at least I would just to be safe if I had to run 87.

I can also tell you that having played around with 87 a bit myself, I saw an average of about 2-4mpg lower fuel economy than I get on 92/93.

[g00s3y]

Originally Posted by Vansquish I can also tell you that having played around with 87 a bit myself, I saw an average of about 2-4mpg lower fuel economy than I get on 92/93.

Wow, expected it to be the same mpg at worst, maybe -1, but -2 to -4mpg is pretty significant.

[MD1032]

I haven't noticed any decrease personally. I did 2 highway runs on 87 before I started tuning on my current (3rd) tank (to make sure I got all the 93 out of my car) and got 28 and 30 MPG respectively which is consistent with what I've seen in the past for my car for highway summer mileage with the A/C on.

2012 Mazdaspeed3 (Mazda 3) | Fuelly

Of course, Cobb also probably uses different logic now for dynamically increasing cruising ignition timing Vansquish than they used to back when you were trying 87. Remember that discussion you and I had in my “tuning troubleshooting” thread a while back where you were telling me about how much better the BEC system used to work on the older maps? That’s the thing, we can’t really control (or in some cases even fully know) what Cobb’s software does with the numbers we give it.

In fact, one thing I’ve noticed is that my observed timing values at nearly all low-load (closed loop) points are WAY higher than what I’m commanding in my tables right now. In fact, honestly, I almost think it just doesn’t even matter what you put in the low throttle tables because the software is just going to ignore it and try to advance it as much as possible for economy purposes.

edit: Last night, did more tuning. Decreased boost slightly, and messed with AFR's a lot. Came out of the night with about another 10 HP for a total of ~220-225, just ever so slightly south of the number I saw posted for a stock Focus ST on 87, which I think I should be able to beat considering I have an intake. I'll make a thread on this eventually. Learning so much, so fast.

[AwAfrican]

Stock pos dp replaced for a lovely CPE one always got my first revision of my freektune ots map! Will be putting in denso ITV 22 plugs today as well before I load it up. So glad i took I took the car to a shop they had trouble and took them about 3 hours

Edit: freektune first revsion received,The car takes me by surprise again


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[texasboy21]

Married my new V3 AP and loaded the Cobb stg1 V234 map.

Overall, I am not that impressed lol, but it sure does spin the tires in first and second gear.

[stoickiwi]

Tidied up my Guardian Angel install and wrote up a how to for the external trigger.

[yasun]

Originally Posted by texasboy21 Married my new V3 AP and loaded the Cobb stg1 V234 map. Overall, I am not that impressed lol, but it sure does spin the tires in first and second gear.

I did that a couple/few months ago. That map has driveability issues, although after a bit of time to adjust, I'm no longer spinning. I guess similar adjustments will be needed again once I install the HPFP internals and CAI/SRI (haven't decided) and then get an e-tune.

[texasboy21]

Originally Posted by yasun I did that a couple/few months ago. That map has driveability issues, although after a bit of time to adjust, I'm no longer spinning. I guess similar adjustments will be needed again once I install the HPFP internals and CAI/SRI (haven't decided) and then get an e-tune.

What are the divisibility issues you had? I read that the throttle is a bit "lazy" and requires some edits to the map.

[yasun]

Originally Posted by texasboy21 What are the divisibility issues you had? I read that the throttle is a bit "lazy" and requires some edits to the map.

The throttle is very touchy vs. stock. I was unintentionally spinning constantly in first and second for a couple days. I've adapted and can launch hard again without spinning, but it took a little while and more attention than I felt should be required.

I also find that I'm having what feel like power drops (feels like mild fuel cut to me) at odd times in middle gears (3,4,5) when I'm wanting to accelerate. This happens at partial throttle. I always disable traction control (or whatever it's called on this car), so I don't think it's that - plus it's much more subtle than what the traction control does.

I was worried about KR causing that, but I check the AP when it's happening (and after) and often there's no KR at all. Although sometimes there is. It wasn't happening at all on the stock map, so I don't think it's a problem with the engine. I think it's the tune.

In any event, everybody says the stock Cobb maps are shit and I believe them. So I'm dwelling on it. I could adjust the map myself, I guess. But I'm forcing myself not to do anything until I get the internals ordered and installed (procrastination is my best quality).

[texasboy21]

Originally Posted by yasun In any event, everybody says the stock Cobb maps are shit and I believe them. So I'm dwelling on it. I could adjust the map myself, I guess. But I'm forcing myself not to do anything until I get the internals ordered and installed (procrastination is my best quality).

Yea, I read the OTS tunes were not that great, but I figured it would be a bit better than it is. My speed is supposed to stay stock, and I wanted to be able to log and monitor things and a tune is never a bad thing, so I picked up an AP.

Now it seems I have to get an e-tune or run constantly marry and unmarry the AP.

[MD1032]

Originally Posted by yasun I also find that I'm having what feel like power drops (feels like mild fuel cut to me) at odd times in middle gears (3,4,5) when I'm wanting to accelerate. This happens at partial throttle. I always disable traction control (or whatever it's called on this car), so I don't think it's that - plus it's much more subtle than what the traction control does

You're on stock internals, aren't you?

[Awal]

Finally got my AP, AT internals, and my Stratified EBC. Turns out Alex from Stratified lives very close, so it'll make it even easier to do the custom tune in person. He had a pair of very nice drag tires, on his way with another Stratified employee to our local Friday night drags in his FST.


I was REALLY hoping to install my 3.5" CS SRI/TIP today then calibrate the MAF sensor, but it was just too busy at work, I passed so many longing/needing looks towards my AP.

To go in when I next have some free time will be the internals. Then when my buddy is done ceramic coating my DP and TP (the DP is the main culprit but coating the TP won't hurt) in with the TBE.


The HPFP internals are almost like gold, considering the cost:size:weight ratio. But good and great things can come in small packages.


Once the intake is on I'll be getting a decent OTS map from Stratified to hold me over until the internals and 80mm TBE exhaust are in, I'll install the EBC as well but it's not needed, but it will be for sure.


Gratz on all the installs and shit bros! Look for some better OTS maps, I think there are some free ones here and there. Or get an OTS+ tune on the cheap from Freektune, apparently they are SOOO much better than normal OTS maps, basically a custom tune 'light'.

[g00s3y]

Battery relocated to the trunk... Still need to tidy up the engine bay (and do a nice wire tuck when I can find time), but it will be fine for now.

[MD1032]

I really like that man. Engine bay looks so much cleaner. But aren't you worried about not having a spare?

[g00s3y]

Originally Posted by MD1032 I really like that man. Engine bay looks so much cleaner. But aren't you worried about not having a spare?

Spare sits right behind my seat. In almost 2 years of ownership I've only had more than 3 people in my car once, so it works well. My son's carseat is on the passenger side, jack sits under the driver's seat.

It was much easier running 1/0 wire from the front to back than I thought it would be, everything is hidden, and still looks all stock.

[yasun]

Originally Posted by MD1032 You're on stock internals, aren't you?

Yes. I'm more or less babying the car until I get them installed.

Edit: Although I've considered the obvious (that the FP is the problem), I've been monitoring and the power loss weirdness doesn't seem associated with fuel pressure drops. In any event, I know I need to get the FP ASAP and before any more mods to the engine.

[Shampu]

Installed some fresh gaskets in my exhaust. Its nice not having the cabin smell like Gas/oil again.

[Awal]

Just installed my Cobb AP v3, saved the factory setting and flashed in the basic "safe 91 oct" OTS map. I'm about to install the CS 3.5" intake, so I took it for a little rip to see what the new map felt like.

All I gotta say is holy shit, when I added the CS TMIC my powerband went from falling off at 5800rpm to pulling all the way to about 6500rpm. With the reflash safe 91 map it pulls to 7200rpm (maybe more as that's as far as I'm prepared to take it for now), and the ass dyno says there's a definate addition to power, not a ton, but noticeable.

You can see the new map is also holding boost to about 13-14psi max, I can't wait to flash the next map in once the intake is in. As far as the OTS maps, what would a 3.5" intake/TIP + upgraded TMIC be considered stage-wise?

Can't wait to get the internals and catless TBE in there and get my custom tune done with stratified in person.