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BMC 05-13-2015 09:45 AM

What's the world coming to?
 
Just reading through the latest issue of Car and Driver when I happen upon a review for the new Golf R. At over 3400 lbs curb and with horsepower and torque at 292 and 280 respectively, how in the name of Christ are they getting 0-60's of 4.5 and 1/4's at 13.2 ... bone stock? All wheel drive and launch control aside, I'm pushing 295 at the wheels and more torque. Does it simply get down to the "You can't drive" factor? My neighbor is about to pull the trigger on an upgrade from his current 2011 or 12 to the latest offering. I'll never hear the end of this. The shame, the shame!

stoickiwi 05-13-2015 10:01 AM

Well looking back at Car and Drivers review of the MS3, stock they got a 0-60 in 6.2. So at 263 factory hp for the MS3 vs the Golf's 292 at 4.5 and AWD, I think... they must have one hell of a driver. Lol I have no idea how they got those numbers.
I did test drive a 2012 Golf R before I got the Speed and that car was a yawn mobile. No personality and undefeatable Stability control without tuning turned me away.


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speed23 05-13-2015 10:05 AM

Yep, AWD, launch control and dual clutch quick gear changes= fast 0-60.

Killer95GT302 05-13-2015 10:13 AM

What was the MPH on that golf 1/4 mile? Times all come down to the car putting power to the ground efficiently and driver maximizing the potential of the car. MPH is a good indicator of whether or not the power numbers they state match.

Vansquish 05-13-2015 10:19 AM

Road & Track didn't get close to 4.5 seconds.

Mk7 Golf R (Euro-spec)
0-60mph 5.2 secs
0-100mph 12.2 secs
1/4 mile 13.6 secs @ 105.7 MPH

Full performance test of the 2015 Volkswagen Golf R (European-spec)

Motortrend did a 4.5second run in a DSG-equipped car apparently:

60mph 4.5 seconds
1/4 mile 13.1 seconds at 104.9 mph.

2015 Volkswagen Golf R First Test - Motor Trend

crankshaft 05-13-2015 10:25 AM

IMO, When it comes to drag racing, or biggest killers are:
1. 6 speed (silly 1st gear).
2. Wrong wheel drive.

The car makes the power, but we waste too much time with 1st gear. I feel like I'm beating on the car just to keep up with an Accord...that isn't even racing.

Just accept the fact that the car isn't designed for drag racing.

BMC 05-13-2015 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killer95GT302 (Post 2877561)
What was the MPH on that golf 1/4 mile? Times all come down to the car putting power to the ground efficiently and driver maximizing the potential of the car. MPH is a good indicator of whether or not the power numbers they state match.

The 1/4 came in at 106 mph.

Killer95GT302 05-13-2015 10:33 AM

The numbers line up pretty close, the MPH almost seems like the stated HP is WHP. However, when it comes to HP and torque numbers, peak numbers don't mean much. Without comparing power graphs its tough to say who's actually making more power thru out the entire RPM range.

That and seems like the golf has nice fancy tech to limit non driving bastards effect on ETs.

Yatta 05-13-2015 10:37 AM

really consider shift times, VW DSG has the next gear predictively engaged, shifts are measured in milliseconds, manual (our style) shifts are typical 500 ms to 1 second per shift, its not hard to believe.
The average manual car driver: 500 ms - 1 s
Aston Martin Vanquish: 250 ms
Ferrari 575M: 220 ms
BMW M3 E36 with SMG I: 220 ms
Ferrari 360: 150 ms
Enzo Ferrari: 150 ms
Lexus LFA: 150 ms
Ferrari FXX: Under 100 ms
Nissan GT-R: 100ms
BMW M3 E46 with SMG II: 80 ms
Ferrari 430 Scuderia & FXX Evoluzione: 60 ms
Volkswagen Golf GTI (Direct Shift): 8 ms
Bugatti Veyron (Direct Shift): 8 ms
All Volkswagen DSG Gearbox (Direct Shift): 8 ms


Shift times / shift speed for transmissions including automatic, DSG, DCT, SMG, SMGII, dual clutch, manual, etc.

DaUberSchwebel 05-16-2015 08:25 AM

Apr is getting the Golf R's into the 11's with just an intake, downpipe and a tune on 93 octane. I also believe VW rates their hp/Tq numbers very conservative as well.

texasboy21 05-16-2015 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMC (Post 2877569)
The 1/4 came in at 106 mph.

Stock MS3 traps about 103ish, give or take a few MPH. Sounds about right to me.

Tokay444 05-16-2015 05:01 PM

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p...4/cc18bb09.jpg
Y'all just can't drive.
Stock tune. Sri.


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