Winter Tires... soooooo worth the money!! :-)

[MacheteJames]

This car is a fucking tank in the snow with decent winter tires. The LSD works wonders. Drove to work during the snowstorm this past Tuesday and didn't miss a beat the entire way.

[blackms3_71]

Originally Posted by shamie Snow tires turn this car from a death trap into a snowmobile! The only all seasons that would even come close would be the Conti DWS - yes they are that good in the snow. My current 245 Bridgestone 970s A/S are barely passable on the snow. If it keeps snowing here I'll be getting some DWS (in a skinnier size).

Isk i have the dws in 235/40/18 and let me tell you it felt like i was on summer tires in the snow. Now granted the conditions where bad with ice everywhere so i will go back out next time it snows to see if i get a different feel but i am not sold on the dws in the snow. It was pretty scary when u go to turn left and u car just slides right.

[ChaunceyM]

Originally Posted by Deldran If you read the whole post I stated winters are better than all season. I simply said that is you have a decent set of all seasons you should be able to get around in the snow fine. I did not say that all seasons are better than winters. Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk

To be fair, Conti DWS are rated as some of the best all seasons in the snow and ice. So they're really like semi-winter tires that are great the rest of the year.
Before I stepped up to summer/winter, I only used Conti all seasons. Although driving up the hilly-ass streets around me does require the blizzaks when we get real snow. 12% grade + snow = trouble.

[Deldran]

Originally Posted by ChaunceyM To be fair, Conti DWS are rated as some of the best all seasons in the snow and ice. So they're really like semi-winter tires that are great the rest of the year. Before I stepped up to summer/winter, I only used Conti all seasons. Although driving up the hilly-ass streets around me does require the blizzaks when we get real snow. 12% grade + snow = trouble.

They still are not as good as winters. And the suck in the summer IMHO. Compared to the nt-05s I ran this summer the contis suck ass in the corners. Side wall is to soft

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[jm211]

Make another funny post!

[alphasaur]

Originally Posted by MacheteJames This car is a fucking tank in the snow with decent winter tires. The LSD works wonders. Drove to work during the snowstorm this past Tuesday and didn't miss a beat the entire way.

I've driven in a foot of snow on unplowed roads with snow tires and the car did fantastic.

Btw next meet is in yonkers you have no excuse to not show.

[analbumcover]

I think if you live Wisconsin-north, like..that north. Winters make sense. Anything south of chicago and its a bit over kill even considering safety first, etc.

1 day off work because you're snowed in is cheaper than 4 tires and 4 wheels. 5 days? still prob cheaper to miss work or take PTO.

[shpeedtree]

Winter tires suck for everything except snow. That said, I put mine to good use in Chicago for most of the season.

[PPD369Speed3]

Originally Posted by analbumcover I think if you live Wisconsin-north, like..that north. Winters make sense. Anything south of chicago and its a bit over kill even considering safety first, etc. 1 day off work because you're snowed in is cheaper than 4 tires and 4 wheels. 5 days? still prob cheaper to miss work or take PTO.

Not everyone has a job where they can just call out because of the weather. I work in law enforcement and if I was to call out sick bc of snow, I would be in deep shit.

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[faeker]

this thread delivers........gallons of AIDS.


fucking idiot OP.

[alphasaur]

Originally Posted by shpeedtree Winter tires suck for everything except snow. That said, I put mine to good use in Chicago for most of the season.

Incorrect. You can get performance winters, it's not only the tread pattern but the compound and how it behaves in cold weather.

[shamie]

Originally Posted by blackms3_71 Isk i have the dws in 235/40/18 and let me tell you it felt like i was on summer tires in the snow. Now granted the conditions where bad with ice everywhere so i will go back out next time it snows to see if i get a different feel but i am not sold on the dws in the snow. It was pretty scary when u go to turn left and u car just slides right.

It is probably our type of snow. My DWSs were 235/40/18 also and they pulled through over a foot of snow - Utah powder. If it was heavy shit or ice they probably wouldn't have fared as well. They work fabulously in the powder and packed snow we get out here. They also salt the shit out of our roads, thanks to the abundance of salt from the lake, and we're back to pavement in a day or two unlike further north where once the snow falls the ground is covered until spring. If I lived elsewhere I'd consider snows. They'd have to be speed rated though. Three years ago I had to make the trip from SLC to Reno and I had my non-rated (90 mph) snows on and it sucked driving through deserted Nevada. Every time I came to that stretch of road where I could see 10 miles out I got pissed. I just set the cruise to 85 and dealt with it.

[analbumcover]

Originally Posted by shamie It is probably our type of snow. My DWSs were 235/40/18 also and they pulled through over a foot of snow - Utah powder. If it was heavy shit or ice they probably wouldn't have fared as well. They work fabulously in the powder and packed snow we get out here. They also salt the shit out of our roads, thanks to the abundance of salt from the lake, and we're back to pavement in a day or two unlike further north where once the snow falls the ground is covered until spring. If I lived elsewhere I'd consider snows. They'd have to be speed rated though. Three years ago I had to make the trip from SLC to Reno and I had my non-rated (90 mph) snows on and it sucked driving through deserted Nevada. Every time I came to that stretch of road where I could see 10 miles out I got pissed. I just set the cruise to 85 and dealt with it.

short of a studded tire. ice doesnt care what kind of tire you have, summer, winter, all seaso.

[PPD369Speed3]

Originally Posted by analbumcover short of a studded tire. ice doesnt care what kind of tire you have, summer, winter, all seaso.

That statement is 100% false.

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[CaptObvious75]

Originally Posted by shpeedtree Winter tires suck for everything except snow. That said, I put mine to good use in Chicago for most of the season.

Lol no.

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[Vyndictive]

Originally Posted by zenit Really? I've had static balanced wheels up to 140mph, no problems.

Spin balancers account for imperfections on the outside vs. the inside. a static balance can't account for that. I agree, normally a good static balance is what most tires need and a dynamic imbalance is rarely as bad as a static imbalance.

Here is what the difference taken from discount tire's website:

Static Imbalance: this is what your bubble balacer will help you correct. This will remove 80% of balance issues.



Dynamic Imbalance: This wheel & tire would balance fine on a bubble balancer, but down the road you would get a small vibration and down the line, some irregular tire wear. Its more for taking care of that last little bit to make the tire balance down the road. As long as the tech knows exactly what he's doing and not just throwing lbs of weights on the rim flange.

[zenit]

Thanks for posting- but you have to remember that the balance job is only as good as the tech and machine that does the job. I.E. people's bad experiences with Firestone.

EDIT: Also, I'm sure buying quality tires makes a difference too in regards to multiple imbalances. I like the fact the past few sets of bridgestones that I've bought have had a heaviest point marker from the factory.

Back to the topic of winter tires

[JJardin]

Originally Posted by alphasaur Incorrect. You can get performance winters, it's not only the tread pattern but the compound and how it behaves in cold weather.

This past weekend I swapped out to Michelin Pilot Alpin PA4s in 225/40R-18.

I've only got about 100 miles on them so far, but these things handle very well on the car--all the grip lost with summers is back in force. Driving in the snow last tuesday proved to be no problem--even hills were no worry. The parking lot on Wednesday was a sheet of ice--but the car gripped well. I gather that this performance comes at some deep snow capability--but--

My need: I live in "rural" New Jersey, so while we get a big storm or two, we are mostly dealing with cold cleared roads and the possibility of freezing rain, some plow leftovers, etc. I also have a super steep driveway (everyone else parks at the end of the driveways).

My decision: performance winters (european) vs. pure snow (e.g. Nordics) because: 1) I drive "aggressively" and blizzaks handle like pencil erasers on dry pavement, 2) I would mostly be on dry road, albeit cold ones, 3) if the snow if super deep, I have the option of working from home or taking the Yukon out (and I have Blizzaks & chains for that from when we lived near Tahoe--no snow stops that thing at all).

An adide: about All Season vs Winter--there is no comparison in the super cold and snow. The Yukon's all season tires will get you around, but the Blizzaks stick to the snow and ice--my wife calls them "Tiger Claws". I couldn't even perform decent slides and donuts in the Squaw Valley parking lot last year--even in RWD the damn things just found grip. I do change them over, though, if the roads are going to be super dry for a long time and the temps are in the 30s. They wear too fast and don't handle too well in the dry/warm as All Seasons. I will leave the performance winters on my MS3 all winter though--they are biased towards cold & dry.

The PA4s were mounted on cheap rims--ASA AR1s--and ordered from Tire Rack. For some reason I went crazy and had the TPMS installed--with shipping it came to $1862.32. My wife likes the rims better than stock, but I have heard they flake with the salt after a while. They were cheap enough for me not to really care about that--but I have to see for myself how they stand up.

[shpeedtree]

Originally Posted by CaptObvious75 Lol no. Sent from my MB860 using Tapatalk 2

From my experience with blizzaks, when the temps are still fluctuating between freezing and not freezing they become very slick in the wet. Cornering sucks because of the giant sidewall, I suppose if someone isn't running them on 16's it might be less apparent. But during a snow storm we had, I was easily passing traffic and going the speed limit confidently.

[CaptObvious75]

Originally Posted by shpeedtree From my experience with blizzaks, when the temps are still fluctuating between freezing and not freezing they become very slick in the wet. Cornering sucks because of the giant sidewall, I suppose if someone isn't running them on 16's it might be less apparent. But during a snow storm we had, I was easily passing traffic and going the speed limit confidently.

Cornering will suck because of side wall.

Of course they won't be great in the wet, they were designed for cold, ice and snow.

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[Dizzy Turbo]

But but snow is wet

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[shamie]

Originally Posted by Dizzy Turbo But but snow is wet Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk

Snow is cold and dry - slush is wet.

[Vyndictive]

I think the purpose of this thread is to state the buying a tire for a specific purpose is much better than trying to get 1 tire to handle everything.

This extends to ice (studded), racing slicks, extreme summer tires, and touring tires.

I know to pick on the OP - I hate when people say "My (insert make and model) handles like shit in snow!" . . . my retort, "What tires do you have?"

When they don't know the type of tire or brand, or ask "why does that matter" I go into full rant mode. Sucks that the cars get a bad reputation when its really just the wrong tires.

Was the gen1 sold with summer tires only?

[Jkspeed]

This seems incredibly obvious...

Walk on ice vs. wearing ice skates. One CAN handle ice and dirt, but the other was clearly meant for ice.

[Dizzy Turbo]

Originally Posted by shamie Snow is cold and dry - slush is wet.

Put snow on towel. Take snow off towel. Is towel wet?

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[Jkspeed]

Slush is wet AND cold.

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[shamie]

Originally Posted by Dizzy Turbo Put snow on towel. Take snow off towel. Is towel wet? Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk

But towel is still not snow.

Once snow gets wet it no longer considered snow - its slush (which still is not a towel).

And I don't know how the DWSs perform on towels.

[Jkspeed]

You're a towel

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[shamie]

Towel or tool - tool would be good for you.

[Jkspeed]

You're a towel

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[R4LLY3]

Why is this thread still going?

Sent from my moustache.

[Dizzy Turbo]

Because towels are immortal

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[Nliiitend1]

[silvapain]

Y'all are sissy faggots. I run wooden wagon wheels year 'round. Handbrakin' like Ken Block around corners and getting ALL the Amish bitches.

[zenit]

Originally Posted by silvapain Y'all are sissy faggots. I run wooden wagon wheels year 'round. Handbrakin' like Ken Block around corners and getting ALL the Amish bitches.

^Amish girls?

[Skierdood]

Originally Posted by Dizzy Turbo Put snow on towel. Take snow off towel. Is towel wet? Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk

Depends. Is said towel above or below freezing? Ice (and snow since it's a form of ice) is a solid therefore dry. It only becomes wet when it goes above freezing and changes states to liquid form.



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[Dizzy Turbo]

You just blew my mind

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[Skierdood]

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[ms3rick]

My federal rs/r will spin like nuts when any water is on the ground, can't imagine snow

[Jkspeed]

What's water?

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