would it take alot to get a 13 MS3 into the high 12's?

[MSZ]

Originally Posted by aggierandy False. MPG Tooning with ATR @bnoon; I think got in the range of 300 hp and 30 mpg.

300HP AND 30MPG would be awsome! What do these cars usually get combined real world?

[aggierandy]

Originally Posted by MSZ 300HP AND 30MPG would be awsome! What do these cars usually get combined real world?

Its all about the tune man.

Once you pick up your MS3, Go VIP on here, get rid of your brownie status.

Learn what these are: (By using the search function and reading the newbie threads)
Cobb AP
AT Internals
RMM
SRI

Then, get in touch with a good e-tuner (they are on here and yes, someone on the internet 500 miles away is better at tuning your car via e-mail than Juan at your local chop shop.)

Talk to them about your goals and be happy.

Get in touch with some locals (NATOR) and keep an open mind. MSF is a new and peculiar place to many in your shoes. Open your ears before you open your mouth and you'll really enjoy your time here.

Edit: and for christ sake change your avatar!

[6Y MAZDA]

Originally Posted by aggierandy False. MPG Tooning with ATR @bnoon; I think got in the range of 300 hp and 30 mpg.

Well yeah if you tune specifically for that purpose, you can get good gas mileage. But i know as i've modded more and moved to more "agressive" tunes (going to be e-tuned when i get my car back from the dealership), my MPG has gone down due to more spirited driving and the want to mash the gas more often, and i'm sure the OTS maps have something to do with it as well.

[MSZ]

Originally Posted by aggierandy Its all about the tune man. Once you pick up your MS3, Go VIP on here, get rid of your brownie status. Learn what these are: (By using the search function and reading the newbie threads) Cobb AP AT Internals RMM SRI Then, get in touch with a good e-tuner (they are on here and yes, someone on the internet 500 miles away is better at tuning your car via e-mail than Juan at your local chop shop.) Talk to them about your goals and be happy. Get in touch with some locals (NATOR) and keep an open mind. MSF is a new and peculiar place to many in your shoes. Open your ears before you open your mouth and you'll really enjoy your time here. Edit: and for christ sake change your avatar!

If i get an MS3 i sure will take all your advise.. I always open my ears before my mouth but that being said if i get disrespected or talked to in a overly harsh manner for NO reason then game on! But i never talk smack especially being that i know nothing about these cars and im here to learn..

[stevehuff]

2014 MS6 is coming soon.

[MSZ]

Originally Posted by stevehuff 2014 MS6 is coming soon.

What month do they usually release them?

[aggierandy]

Originally Posted by MSZ im here to learn..

Never forget that part. Post some pictures when you make the plunge! Best of luck.

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[MSZ]

Originally Posted by stevehuff 2014 MS6 is coming soon.

Also i think the new MS6 isnt going to be SPEED6! Just going to have a plan 2.5 with NO turbo from what i read. And its going to be heavier and slow..

Originally Posted by aggierandy Never forget that part. Post some pictures when you make the plunge! Best of luck. Sent from my DROID RAZR HD using Tapatalk 2

I will thanks...

[6Y MAZDA]

Originally Posted by stevehuff 2014 MS6 is coming soon.

Originally Posted by MSZ What month do they usually release them?

Only speculatation for now. There IS a Mazda 6 coming out later this year, sometime during the summer. A turbo-diesel engine. Not AWD and not badged Mazdaspeed.

The gas-engine variation (185hp, 185lbtq) is out, but not for sale yet. Only on display at dealerships until later this month.

[MSZ]

Originally Posted by 6Y MAZDA Only speculatation for now. There IS a Mazda 6 coming out later this year, sometime during the summer. A turbo-diesel engine. Not AWD and not badged Mazdaspeed. The gas-engine variation (185hp, 185lbtq) is out, but not for sale yet. Only on display at dealerships until later this month.

Oh ok..From the looks i like the MS3 better anyway.

[Zoomspeed]

I had the new WRX sedan and I returned that shit in like 4 days

[MSZ]

Originally Posted by Zoomspeed I had the new WRX sedan and I returned that shit in like 4 days

Why??

[Zoomspeed]

It felt slow the interior sucked and it was mor than the tech package speed 3 so I just went with the speed nice interior and faster than the wrx

[BernR6]

Originally Posted by Zoomspeed I had the new WRX sedan and I returned that shit in like 4 days

Didn't you take a major hit financially?

[MSZ]

Originally Posted by Zoomspeed It felt slow the interior sucked and it was mor than the tech package speed 3 so I just went with the speed nice interior and faster than the wrx

WRX guys say they are fster..LOL Im going to guess they are both in the same ball park as far as performance but i still would thing the rex is faster at least 0-60 being AWD and its not factory limited in 1 to 3rd gear? I saw a MS3 and a WRX parked in a parking lot where i live next to each other the rex was a sedan and i was surprised how good the MS3 looked! When i look at it in pics online i dont really like the front end but it actually looked alot better in person and the side of it looked alot better then the WRX! I was surprised that i liked the MS3 that much in person and it made me consider it as an option! Even my wife said "That car looks fast" She did not say that about the WRX!

[Zoomspeed]

Nope dealer had a 5 day return policy

[Boatcop1]

Welcome. I was like you. I'm 35 and honestly used to despise the tuner scene until I learned more. The MS3 crowd is NOT what I was expecting. This site has it all for the taking and can be your best friend if you learn how to use it, or it can be your worst nightmare (go check out the troll of shame thread).

Anyway I came from a 03 Cobra and was always a muscle car guy myself. Obviously the MS3 is not the same type of animal but once you figure out how to drive these little bastards they are a blast and surprisingly quick!

Like others said, if you decide to go with the MS3 your first mod should be to donate here! It opens up a butt load of options for you including the for sale section. Then you want to look at fuel pump internals, Cobb Accesport, short ram intake and rear motor mount. Those are your first mods PERIOD!

Good luck and welcome.

[NICKELL666]

Originally Posted by Boatcop1 Welcome. I was like you. I'm 35 and honestly used to despise the tuner scene until I learned more. The MS3 crowd is NOT what I was expecting. This site has it all for the taking and can be your best friend if you learn how to use it, or it can be your worst nightmare (go check out the troll of shame thread). Anyway I came from a 03 Cobra and was always a muscle car guy myself. Obviously the MS3 is not the same type of animal but once you figure out how to drive these little bastards they are a blast and surprisingly quick! Like others said, if you decide to go with the MS3 your first mod should be to donate here! It opens up a butt load of options for you including the for sale section. Then you want to look at fuel pump internals, Cobb Accesport, short ram intake and rear motor mount. Those are your first mods PERIOD! Good luck and welcome.

I completely agree. I came from a 93 cobra and an 01 cobra.. Completely different. But the ms3 is surprisingly pretty quick.

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[MSZ]

Originally Posted by Boatcop1 Welcome. I was like you. I'm 35 and honestly used to despise the tuner scene until I learned more. The MS3 crowd is NOT what I was expecting. This site has it all for the taking and can be your best friend if you learn how to use it, or it can be your worst nightmare (go check out the troll of shame thread). Anyway I came from a 03 Cobra and was always a muscle car guy myself. Obviously the MS3 is not the same type of animal but once you figure out how to drive these little bastards they are a blast and surprisingly quick! Like others said, if you decide to go with the MS3 your first mod should be to donate here! It opens up a butt load of options for you including the for sale section. Then you want to look at fuel pump internals, Cobb Accesport, short ram intake and rear motor mount. Those are your first mods PERIOD! Good luck and welcome.

Thanks for the advise i really appreciate all the help i got on this Forum so far!

[aggierandy]

Originally Posted by BernR6 Didn't you take a major hit financially?

Most states have a "cooling off" period for car transactions to protect buyers. It varies state to state.

Can You Return the Car You Just Bought?

Look at your state's "Car buyers bill of rights". Most have them now. There is some federal protection but it is mostly limited to Lemons.

[BernR6]

Originally Posted by MSZ WRX guys say they are fster..LOL Im going to guess they are both in the same ball park as far as performance but i still would thing the rex is faster at least 0-60 being AWD and its not factory limited in 1 to 3rd gear? I saw a MS3 and a WRX parked in a parking lot where i live next to each other the rex was a sedan and i was surprised how good the MS3 looked! When i look at it in pics online i dont really like the front end but it actually looked alot better in person and the side of it looked alot better then the WRX! I was surprised that i liked the MS3 that much in person and it made me consider it as an option! Even my wife said "That car looks fast" She did not say that about the WRX!

It's really a tough call. I was in the same predicament back in May '12. I'm 34, married, mortgage, no kids yet, etc. I got tired of buying a bunch of cars throughout the years and end up being disappointed/regretful all the time. I work in the mental health field, so I'm not exactly rolling in dough. I wanted to find something that was fun to drive, yet could work as a family car and also be fairly reliable. I narrowed my car purchase to the Focus ST (wasn't out yet at that time), MS3, and WRX. Test drove both, back to back. I honestly think there are pros and cons to both. The dealer even let me test drive the MS3 by myself. Haha. I'm a big car fan so I'm not biased toward one particular brand. Anyway, IMO -

WRX - felt more planted (AWD), but had more body roll. Quick off the line. Engine sounded great. Liked the looks ('11+ have Sti wide body), bland interior.

MS3 - quick, once rolling (did some pulls on my test drive), liked the looks, shifter felt better than the Rex, interior the same, exhaust wasn't anything remarkable.

Decided on a WRX - OTD was $26,100. Couple reasons I chose the Rex. My wife and I already have a 2010 Mazda 3s hatch. Didn't want another and wanted a sedan. Also, I always wanted an AWD car (I live in eastern PA - weather is hit or miss). I couldn't be happier with the car. The downsides to the car can be fixed with aftermarket (ie - thicker sways, SS/bushings, etc). The MS3 comes from the factory pretty stacked. The Rex needs some parts to make it better. Both cars should have no problem seeing high 12s. The Rex probably needs a downpipe, AP, tune and good launch. MS3 probably what everyone suggested above. The MS3 will probably be quicker and more fun from a "sushi roll," but the Rex won't be fighting as much for traction from a dig. Let me know if you have any questions about the Rex. Wish I had money for both. Haha.

[Ian0611]

Originally Posted by 6Y MAZDA You will not get good gas mileage if you are looking to get into 12s.

Unless your tune is junk, this is false. Taking driving style out of the equation, a good tune should almost always get better MPG than stock.

[NICKELL666]

Originally Posted by Ian0611 Unless your tune is junk, this is false. Taking driving style out of the equation, a good tune should almost always get better MPG than stock.

I get pretty good gas mileage actually.. Over 30mpg driving to work.. That's averaging 55-65 mph..

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[6Y MAZDA]

Originally Posted by Ian0611 Unless your tune is junk, this is false. Taking driving style out of the equation, a good tune should almost always get better MPG than stock.

See this:

Originally Posted by 6Y MAZDA Well yeah if you tune specifically for that purpose, you can get good gas mileage. But i know as i've modded more and moved to more "agressive" tunes (going to be e-tuned when i get my car back from the dealership), my MPG has gone down due to more spirited driving and the want to mash the gas more often, and i'm sure the OTS maps have something to do with it as well.

My point was...i didnt buy a speed for the gas mileage, i bought it to have fun and haz the gofastzz

[MSZ]

Originally Posted by NICKELL666 I get pretty good gas mileage actually.. Over 30mpg driving to work.. That's averaging 55-65 mph.. Sent from my SCH-I535 using Forum Runner

Thats pretty good MPG your getting!! But i cant drive 55..LOL

[NICKELL666]

All back roads.. Speed limit is only 55.. So I try to get decent mpg while driving to and from work..

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[MSZ]

If i get one the ones that are available to me are Black , Red, or White... What looks the best on this car? Obviously i will make the final decision when i see them in person but what do you guys think for the sake of conversation? I actually saw a red one in person and i think it looked sweet and i dont usually go for red!

[faeker]

Blue 2 shims

[MSZ]

Originally Posted by NICKELL666 All back roads.. Speed limit is only 55.. So I try to get decent mpg while driving to and from work.. Sent from my SCH-I535 using Forum Runner

LOL..I hear ya! I just thinking my MPG will be lower! So these cars get better then 25mpg what there rated for? That would be great! I heard the WRX's suck the gas!

[MSZ]

Is this car really only 0-60 in 6 to 6.3?? All the reviews online say that thats what it is! WRX is like 4.7 to 5.1 in the reviews. Thats a huge huge difference. I drove cars like the new focus ST that are rated at 6 sec 0-60 and they felt really slow! But im coming off a 300 SRT8 that did like 4.5 to 4.7 0-60..LOL

[6Y MAZDA]

Originally Posted by MSZ Is this car really only 0-60 in 6 to 6.3?? All the reviews online say that thats what it is! WRX is like 4.7 to 5.1 in the reviews. Thats a huge huge difference. I drove cars like the new focus ST that are rated at 6 sec 0-60 and they felt really slow! But im coming off a 300 SRT8 that did like 4.5 to 4.7 0-60..LOL

awd > fwd

(on a 0-60 launch)

[Keko]

Originally Posted by MSZ Is this car really only 0-60 in 6 to 6.3?? All the reviews online say that thats what it is! WRX is like 4.7 to 5.1 in the reviews. Thats a huge huge difference. I drove cars like the new focus ST that are rated at 6 sec 0-60 and they felt really slow! But im coming off a 300 SRT8 that did like 4.5 to 4.7 0-60..LOL

fwd = no traction

ms3 are beast from a roll though

[Stingray69]

I have had a daily driver in the mid 12s and mid 11s with NOS. When I started looking at cars I thought I wanted to go 12s again. I started with a 11 Stang because it would go 12s basically stock. I then drove a WRX and a MS3. What I quickly realized is that straight line is fun but not all there is to a fun daily commute. The interior of the WRX reminded me of my 84 Toyota truck. I settled on the MS3 and at almost 2 years of ownership and 28K miles still enjoy the fuck out of driving it. It has surprised many at 5:00 am on my way to work. Can't wait until the roads dry a bit so I can park my gas guzzling truck and break out happy ass car.

[aggierandy]

Originally Posted by MSZ Is this car really only 0-60 in 6 to 6.3?? All the reviews online say that thats what it is! WRX is like 4.7 to 5.1 in the reviews. Thats a huge huge difference. I drove cars like the new focus ST that are rated at 6 sec 0-60 and they felt really slow! But im coming off a 300 SRT8 that did like 4.5 to 4.7 0-60..LOL

0-60 is a metric of traction more than power. 60-100 or even 40-60 is a better metric of power. How often did you launch your srt on the street?

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[The Nut]

Originally Posted by DVM17 oh, no they don't. Supposedly they're coming out with a new speed 6 in a couple weeks. It may be a twin turbo diesel but it has over 300lb/ft of torque... supposedly. but i was just suggesting. Didn't know you wanted a brand new car. my bad

Word at the L.A. Auto show (by Mazda execs) is that 2013 is the last year for the speed3. If its true, value of our cars is about to go up!

[The Nut]

Everybody knows that the best bang for your buck is to get the Mazda dealership to swap out the k04 turbo for the gtNOOB3000 upgrade. It's free and gives you a good smack in the head.

[MSZ]

Originally Posted by aggierandy 0-60 is a metric of traction more than power. 60-100 or even 40-60 is a better metric of power. How often did you launch your srt on the street? Sent from my DROID RAZR HD using Tapatalk 2

Not that i always perfectly launched my SRT8 and timed it or anything. But 4.6 0-60 is what it is rated at and you can just feel the raw power! When i buy cars i love to feel off the line acceleration im addicted to it!! And as i was saying when i test drive cars like the new Focus ST Thats rated at 6.0 0-60 it felt really slow! I dont like that slow feeling i love to feel hard core acceleration. Plus i love cars that are respected and people know they are fast so they dont really mess you type of car.

[aggierandy]

Well if you are looking for a launch you won't find it here. This is not a drag car. No Fwd car is.

Power can be interpreted in numerous ways. I particularly like the feeling of passing someone at will on the freeway. Some enjoy the torque steer feeling as well.

I also love how I can fit whatever I need in it, its respectable fuel economy and the innovation that is disi + turbo. Kinda like having the first fuel injected Chevys back in the day.

People don't know we that it is btw. Most don't realize its boosted. You won't be feared. This isn't a muscle car with heritage and recognition.

You need to drive one. Turn off the tcs when you do. Don't launch it. Get it up to 30 and punch it. You'll smile.

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[MSZ]

Originally Posted by aggierandy Well if you are looking for a launch you won't find it here. This is not a drag car. No Fwd car is. Power can be interpreted in numerous ways. I particularly like the feeling of passing someone at will on the freeway. Some enjoy the torque steer feeling as well. I also love how I can fit whatever I need in it, its respectable fuel economy and the innovation that is disi + turbo. Kinda like having the first fuel injected Chevys back in the day. People don't know we that it is btw. Most don't realize its boosted. You won't be feared. This isn't a muscle car with heritage and recognition. You need to drive one. Turn off the tcs when you do. Don't launch it. Get it up to 30 and punch it. You'll smile. Sent from my DROID RAZR HD using Tapatalk 2

Ya i think that is the most important part is i need to test drive one! But the closest one is like 90 miles away. The ones im looking at for sale are 130 miles away cause they have the best deal right now!

[aggierandy]

Where are you at

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