GI for 5th Port Ghes Injection

[Dano]

Originally Posted by djuosnteisn I'm going to build up a kit or two this week and update the website. I'd like to get to the point where i'm stocking at least one or two kits on the shelf at all times. Here's the page where you guys will be able to buy em once they're available: Fuel Kits Right now there are none in stock, so the button will simply report "out of stock". I'm also going to offer a single injector version, which should be a fair bit cheaper. I'm not looking to make a million dollars off this shit, just provide a sound solution and get some product moving. Websites still kinda a mess and needs a LOT more content. There are a few pages up right now, and lots more coming . I try to work on it whenever i have spare time. Lemme know what you guys think.

the kit page looks great with lots of info.

[djuosnteisn]

There's a couple bio pages too, with Rob's car and the PERM Bitch ms6.

Lots more coming soon. Gonna try and grab some sticker pictures for the sticker page, so people can get a sense of size when they order. Also going to order up some more vinyl and get some medium and large decals made up.

It's kinda cool seeing the site come together. I don't know shit about web design, but it's coming along decent.

[PapaSmurf]

I needs the gheys now! haha

soon, like real soon.

[Boosten Ya(josh)]

I want teh gheyz but i don't have a need for it

[dantes5823]

I need because meth is ghey

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[Ziggo]

I haz and have not use for 2 weeks. I know I am behind getting the single injector fuel map done, need to compare notes sometime in the future.


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[mason]

were are the 600 whp peeps with all this fuel going around?????

[doubleflusher]

Originally Posted by mason were are the 600 whp peeps with all this fuel going around?????

Soon.

[Ziggo]

[MS3KO]

The sites looking good! Cant wait to get my handz on the fuel!

[JacksonMS30]

[doubleflusher]

[Dano]

I am beginning to think this thread now has more OT posts than ones on topic...lol

[Ziggo]

Dunno what else to post that is on topic. Technically there was interest in a kit, which has now been made, implemented, and proven.

Only thing I want is a map of the non linear portion of the injector turn on. Ie flow vs PW for PW < 2.5ms but that belongs more in the install/tuning thread


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[djuosnteisn]

I still want to do some testing on that at some point. I haven't had much of an issue, but it's right smack in the middle of spool, so it's hard to quantify.

[Ziggo]

I turn on well after spool but need to make very incremental changes to evaluate while logging from the AIC1. Means hours of dyno time.

I would think the manufacturer would publish something but idk.


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[djuosnteisn]

Glad you figured your issue out again Ziggo! It definitely seemed weird that you were having issues that none of the other kits were having.

I need to make a tuning video soon for the R4 software. I'll try to get that done this weekend.


I built up a single injector boss this week, and will be powder coating it as well. I'll snap some pictures when it's done. Not everyone is going to need dual injectors, so having a single inj option will certainly be nice, and save some money.

Updated the website with the new prices as well.

Fuel Kits

Once i sell one more kit, i'll be buying enough parts to stock at least 5 on the shelf. At least that's the goal, haha.

[J-Liss]

every time i see perm tuning logo i see a elephant please incorporate that into your logo, just cause i asked, i am a visionary.

[djuosnteisn]

Seems fitting.

Fun elephant facts:

Did you know? The elephant is distinguished by its high level of intelligence, interesting behavior, methods of communication and complex social structure. Elephants seem to be fascinated with the tusks and bones of dead elephants, fondling and examining them. The myth that they carry them to secret "elephant burial grounds," however, has no factual base. Elephants are very social, frequently touching and caressing one another and entwining their trunks. Elephants demonstrate concern for members of their families they take care of weak or injured members and appear to grieve over a dead companion.

Translating those facts into mazdaspeed terminology:

PERM is willing to do what it takes to help this platform advance as a community.
PERM doesn't mind examining a blown MZR, or failed aftermarket component, in hopes of making them better.
PERM is social, frequently touching and caressing other speed enthusiasts and entwining their weiners
PERM wants to see everyone winning, and helps out whenever it can.

[XLT_66]

Thank you for that, Dustin. I now can die a happy man now that I know that elephant graveyards aren't real.

[J-Liss]

im serious DJ at the end of PERM just add a trunk/tusk's to it....someone PS please.

[djuosnteisn]

mspaint it.

[burn813]

And an elephant cawk

[burn813]

Originally Posted by djuosnteisn Seems fitting. Fun elephant facts: Translating those facts into mazdaspeed terminology: PERM is willing to do what it takes to help this platform advance as a community. PERM doesn't mind examining a blown MZR, or failed aftermarket component, in hopes of making them better. PERM is social, frequently touching and caressing other speed enthusiasts and entwining their weiners PERM wants to see everyone winning, and helps out whenever it can.

You never touched trunks with me, I am disappoint :-(

[burn813]

Originally Posted by djuosnteisn mspaint it.

Dustin does love the mspaint

[Ziggo]

This is how I imagine my 5th port operating.




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[J-Liss]

DJ, can you send me the PERM logo through email so i can tweak it with a PERM elephant on PS?


joshua.liston@navistar.com

[djuosnteisn]

Sure, i'll email it to you tonight

[djuosnteisn]

I wanna see somebody run a single inj with stock fuel pump and see how well it works. I bet it's still leagues better than meth in terms of reliability and additional fueling, and a hell of a lot more affordable than the complete dual setup with ITFP.

Just thinking out loud, but I feel like a lot of people think that fiffy port is only needed if they're shooting for 600 whp... but that's not the case. Still cools like meth, offers more fuel than meth, and cleans valves just as well as meth.

I was emailing a buddy earlier and crunching a few numbers about how much power it could theoretically support. Stock injectors are roughly 850 in port injected terms, so 3400 cc/min in total. Throwing an additional 1000 cc/min into the mix is nearly a 30% increase in fuel headroom. Even if it was only 25% (due to a lower ITFP pressure at higher flow), that'd probably be enough to get very close to 500whp.


Hmm... now i wanna try lol. PapaSmurf... we should try on your car for giggles.

[mrmonk7663]

What is the price on the single setup you speak of, without itfp?

[djuosnteisn]

$615 is what i figured. Which i guess is on par (or likely even less) than a comparable meth kit, not that there's many meth kits that can touch this setup in terms of reliability and configurability.

[Ziggo]

My single injector dropped my IDC from 100% down to 69% when I (accidentally) was running the 5th port at 100%

Replacing the ITFP is not a significant cost driver and is no more difficult than installing an exhaust mani. Your local autozone has the only extra tool you will need. I would not run the 5th port without a fuel pressure gauge to first verify that line pressure does not drop below 60ish psi.


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[PapaSmurf]

Originally Posted by djuosnteisn I wanna see somebody run a single inj with stock fuel pump and see how well it works. I bet it's still leagues better than meth in terms of reliability and additional fueling, and a hell of a lot more affordable than the complete dual setup with ITFP. Just thinking out loud, but I feel like a lot of people think that fiffy port is only needed if they're shooting for 600 whp... but that's not the case. Still cools like meth, offers more fuel than meth, and cleans valves just as well as meth. I was emailing a buddy earlier and crunching a few numbers about how much power it could theoretically support. Stock injectors are roughly 850 in port injected terms, so 3400 cc/min in total. Throwing an additional 1000 cc/min into the mix is nearly a 30% increase in fuel headroom. Even if it was only 25% (due to a lower ITFP pressure at higher flow), that'd probably be enough to get very close to 500whp. Hmm... now i wanna try lol. PapaSmurf... we should try on your car for giggles.

haha im down.. but you know my cold pipe set up is no where near 5th port friendly at the moment and its also 1 piece... so shitty.

If I only need a single injector that would be awesome.

[mrmonk7663]

Originally Posted by Ziggo Your local autozone has the only extra tool you will need. Zigatapatalka

You are talking about a tool to remove the fuel hat....what does autozone have that will do this? Last time I tried with a big wedge and a hammer and all I did was manage to break tabs.

[Ziggo]

Autozone has a free ($90 deposit though) rental of a tool that will take the ring right off.

[djuosnteisn]

Originally Posted by PapaSmurf haha im down.. but you know my cold pipe set up is no where near 5th port friendly at the moment and its also 1 piece... so shitty. If I only need a single injector that would be awesome.

I know an asshat who can weld.

Originally Posted by Ziggo Autozone has a free ($90 deposit though) rental of a tool that will take the ring right off.

+1, i've used both the mazda SST and the Vatozone tools, and both work fine. It still takes muscle, but definitely manageable.

[EdgeAutosport.com]

hurry and gets these boxed up so I can put them on the site

[dantes5823]

Originally Posted by djuosnteisn $615 is what i figured. Which i guess is on par (or likely even less) than a comparable meth kit, not that there's many meth kits that can touch this setup in terms of reliability and configurability.

What?! 615?! God Damn it Mike why you talk me out of it. Another argument that Mike mad was that with the fifth port you don't get the octane boost from the meth. And gerry was saying that if I go fifth port I would need e85.

In other words could I run as much timing with fifth port as I could with meth??

Edit: just read that that is the price without the in tank pump upgrade.

[mrmonk7663]

Is this what yall are talking about? OEM/Fuel pump replacement kit (27160) | Fuel Pump Replacement Kit | AutoZone.com

[PapaSmurf]

Originally Posted by djuosnteisn I know an asshat who can weld. +1, i've used both the mazda SST and the Vatozone tools, and both work fine. It still takes muscle, but definitely manageable.

It's up to you if you want to test it out man. I would like it to be able to switch boss to the 2 injector setup eventually because I am going to get a bigger turbo sometime haha.