E-85 Cure With Fuel Additives

[Sandman978]

Interesting read... Got about six pages in.... F fwd to the last two pages and it seems that there is an issue with oil accumulation on hot parts after shut down. Guy with a Harley. No one confirmed, but the assumption was heat soak to the carb caused oil to separate from the gas and pool in our around the floats. I can see this preventing issues with fuel sending units, but not sure how it would react or behave in the pump. @twenty5psi; good find, I hope to join the test group soon. Will definitely keep reading that other thread. They have a six year running feed of their results. I just want to digest some more of it.
Post up if you decide to start running it!

[Enki]

Not everyone can get Dexos RP, so there is value in testing other oils.

[MSP6]

Can't order it online? Eh, I suppose the more info the better.

[SarcasticOne]

Originally Posted by MSP6 Can't order it online? Eh, I suppose the more info the better.

Or its Fukn expensive...
Here in aus it's twice the price of other dexos oils...

[MSP6]

Yeesh, and I thought it was expensive Stateside.

[SteelJM1]

Used 2-smoke oil on the rotaries for better oiling of the...rotary instead of the not so reliable OMP. Worked great. This application however... I don't see how TCW3 will dissolve motor oil. Wasn't designed for that. I think it might even make the problem worse.

[g00s3y]

Originally Posted by SarcasticOne Or its Fukn expensive... Here in aus it's twice the price of other dexos oils...

Not sure if you've already tried this place, but it seems to be just a little higher in USD than what I would pay at a retail store over here.

Royal Purple Pricelist

[cletusb]

Originally Posted by g00s3y Not sure if you've already tried this place, but it seems to be just a little higher in USD than what I would pay at a retail store over here. Royal Purple Pricelist

I've purchased from this guy before, just a home business importing the gear but he doesn't jack up the prices. I got my amsoil lubes for my 6 from him

I'm in Melbourne, for the Sydney guys there is gllubricants.com

[MSP6]

Me thinks my RP and S1 combo will be put to the test tomorrow morning....

[Sandman978]

Whoa!

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[SteelJM1]

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why I moved to the desert southwest.

[Enki]

You need this in your life.

[MSP6]

Git yer VT witchcraft outta here. Car did honk like a goose at me a couple times though..

[Hopelessvtec]

Are most of you guys using just the internals? Anyone using a cpe or ie built hpfp?

[StikUpKid210]

I ran e85 (4gals + 93) for a full year....i followed this at one time, and came back today bc of an email notification lol....anyway, i used redline si1 twice. I had/have no issues with fuel delivery...running autotech internals...

Now, spraying walter white meth by the sheet.

Just thought i'd let yall know length of time, amount of E, and the experience.....

[MSP6]

Originally Posted by Hopelessvtec Are most of you guys using just the internals? Anyone using a cpe or ie built hpfp?

Issue is the same regardless.





4,400 miles and counting....

[speed_freak91]

@MSP6; have you ever disassembled your pump since starting this or have you just left it alone since you're not having problems.

[littleloogy]

Before I went broke and had to stock out my car... I hit about 2500 miles on corn with the fresh RP and a pump rebuild without a problem. So I was on my way to verify my past results.
Hope I'll be back with the first GEN 3 on corn. Should be back on my feet by then... Hopefully


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[MSP6]

Originally Posted by speed_freak91 @MSP6; have you ever disassembled your pump since starting this or have you just left it alone since you're not having problems.

My intention was to pull it every 1k or so but I'm thinking I bumble-lucky fucked my way into a perfect seal somehow and I'm not touching that fucker heh.

When it comes time for an oil change I might though since the point of this was to document info for MSF.

[speed_freak91]

Curious to see how your pump looks after so many miles. Im hoping for the best.

Im looking forward to starting this in spring, but Im curious whats going to happen when it comes time to store the car for winter again.
@littleloogy; the pictures you posted on the previous page, did that have something to do with switching back to regular pump gas or you accidentally running the non-dexos RP?

Keep up the good work guys!

[Enki]

Probably full of brown boogers that aren't particularly sticky. More like a paste.

Calling it now....

[littleloogy]

Originally Posted by speed_freak91 Curious to see how your pump looks after so many miles. Im hoping for the best. Im looking forward to starting this in spring, but Im curious whats going to happen when it comes time to store the car for winter again. @littleloogy; the pictures you posted on the previous page, did that have something to do with switching back to regular pump gas or you accidentally running the non-dexos RP? Keep up the good work guys!

Yes, I switched to gas and mistakenly put in regular royal purple. Then when rebuild the pump and ttried to go back to E I had a failure. (I just added SI1 to the spill valve to keep me going) after a fresh oil change and another pump rebuild I was fine. Shit works good when you do it right.

I should update the first post with a how to, maybe get it stickied with the two ways to run full E without problems. To to consolidate information into one spot



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[OverBoosted]

A quick definitive how-to run 100% would be awesome.

Tapatalked

[twenty5psi]

Dexos-spec E85 friendly oil, HPFP service/lube with SI-1 treatment seems to work nicely for the time being. I would be prepared to inspect the pump every oil change but with more testing it sounds like that could be extended out.

[SteelJM1]

75 miles so far with no problems.. at least with the fuel pump hehe.

Now If only I had fif gear and a working diff and my turbonator hoses would stop popping off...

[Dano]

Originally Posted by littleloogy I should update the first post with a how to, maybe get it stickied with the two ways to run full E without problems. To to consolidate information into one spot Sent from my iPhone 6

This! This thread, along with the other, has become soooo long I have no idea what works and what doesn't, what may be being used beyond the E85 friendly RP. Maybe the best thing would be to create a brand new thread with only the facts/positive results and link to it in the OPs from both of the others. Keep these two threads for "conversation and testing" while leaving the new thread to only having posts with proven results.

What say you?

[littleloogy]

Originally Posted by Dano This! This thread, along with the other, has become soooo long I have no idea what works and what doesn't, what may be being used beyond the E85 friendly RP. Maybe the best thing would be to create a brand new thread with only the facts/positive results and link to it in the OPs from both of the others. Keep these two threads for "conversation and testing" while leaving the new thread to only having posts with proven results. What say you?

I say yay, Jolly good show old chap. Now I just have to find time to do it. Cheerio!


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[Sandman978]

Come now govner, dust off the laurels and give it a good rogering!

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[Enki]

Better yet it should be a Wiki article.

[SarcasticOne]

I know somewhere in this thread is info on cold starts during winter... Please make sure that's included

But yes, big +1 for having it all in one place

[speed_freak91]

Originally Posted by littleloogy I should update the first post with a how to, maybe get it stickied with the two ways to run full E without problems. To to consolidate information into one spot

Hey man, I was reading back up on this again since we will finally be seeing double digit temps here in MN. I was curious if you might have the time to do this? I just spent about 15 minutes search through this long ass thread for the "how-to" (post #308 ). If you could copy that post to the OP, maybe with whatever additional comments you may want to add, that would be great...
@Enki; Any tuning changes for full e85 that you may want to add into this would also be awesome.

[Enki]

Calibrate on 91 first, hydro test if you can, then set scalars. Dialing 11.75 AFR should be fine, then all the wastegate and all the timing.

Oh and keep WTQ under 350 1.01 SM3.

[2012MS3MJB]

Originally Posted by Enki @phate; has already proven that E85 is the honey badger of the fuel world. With enough WMI, you can get the same (and higher) "intercooler efficiency" plus the benefit of lower overall pressure ratio combined with better spool.

I am reading the entirety of this and rani to this @enki hahaha. The honey badger. Omg I'm dying laughing.

[2012MS3MJB]

Also, I'm set for a tune at Cobb Socal in two weeks. I am gonna log when I make my run out there from Phoenix, as well as logs after my tune. I want the power but I am running a PU and am not sure how aggressive I should go on the e85. Right now I am thinking 30/70 e85 to 91. Is going 50/50 worth the trouble of rebuilding the pump every oil change? Or is that a full corn thing? I just read a LOT so I am kind of jumbled.

Edit: for the record I'm pretty much fully bolted, or at least I will be prior to tune. All Corksport parts except the AP and the forge bpv. FMIC, TBE, EBCS, and RMM are all getting put on sometime before I roll out there (on a safe ots tune)

[Sandman978]

Everything here is assumed at full corn. There is another thread, kings of corn, that deals with mixtures and ratios. This is balls to the wall, full tilt sticky and black death and hypothetical alleviations to said ailments.

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[2012MS3MJB]

Roger that, I'll go read the one too. I am afraid of the black death man. This is the daily so I don't want to blow it up or have to rebuild my pump every couple hundred miles.

[Sandman978]

It's a lot of info to cover, and it can be intimidating, but @Enki; @phate; @littleloogy; have laid out so much info here that it's would be impossible to blow your block, and if you follow their suggestions, full e shouldn't be an issue.

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[Enki]

It would take a miracle of a fuckup to blow on full corn.

20 PSI, 13.8 AFR and pump gas timing went through my car. Didn't even know until I looked at the log.

[PapaSmurf]

my car has been on corn for an extended period of time now, it doesnt get driven much.. it is started weekly at the moment and warmed up to 185+ coolant temps.

Been going this way for 6+ months with 4 more to go.

100 percent e85, VR1 racing oil and SI-1 rebuilt pump.

Cant really put a milage on the longevity. It has seen many heat cycles and much abuse.

[Enki]

Coolant comes up to temp pretty fast; I'd get oil up to 180 for a few minutes before shutting it down so the oil doesn't dilute with moisture and fuel.