E-85 Cure With Fuel Additives

[crutch77]

Originally Posted by Sandman978 A) sell phone on craigslist. B) purchase AP from fit sale section on forums C) stencil torque on AP Fapped over pics of Laguna Seca

I have an AP, thanks. How else would I be running straight E85?

[Sandman978]

Sorry. Some of the torque users, are versatune guys lol. Not that there's anything wrong with that solution, it just isn't an ap.

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[littleloogy]

I need an AP, I sold mine.


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[MSP6]

Just paid $2.45 to fill up yesterday afternoon.

[crutch77]

FP was solid at startup and through my drive to work today. I'll report back at the end of the week when I have a couple hundred miles in.

[speed_freak91]

This is an awesome update to the thread. Thanks for the update (good news) @MSP6; and its good to see @littleloogy; sticking around for a little while longer. Wont be long and I will be joining the bandwagon. Waiting on some good rain fall to clean all the salt off the roads before I pull the car out of storage.

[CWP_MS3]

Originally Posted by MSP6 Take it for what its worth but VD has me at 300 +/- on full corn with only a JBR 3"....stock DP, TP CBE, everything. Only AP, Autotechs and the full intake.

That sounds like its on par with a 50/50 MS6. I'm not sure what sounds about right for E85 on 6's because Rich's car is the only one I've seen in person, and it was making ridiculous power.
@Enki; what kind of differences can you do tune wise on 100% that you can't do on 50/50? I keep seeing you and others say its a big difference, but what changes actually result in more power?

Originally Posted by g00s3y Threw a nice amount of dielectric grease on the terminals, i've also went back to a 50/50 mix. Don't expect to be doing this again, whether it keeps working or not lol.

I'm pretty sure people have failed on 25% mixes. I've thought about dielectric grease but was concerned about what could happen with it being mixed with the fuel system. I failed 2x on 50% and just stopped fixing it. Said fuck it, and have been running around without a fuel level sender for a year now.

You cut your body over the pump, right? Maybe pull it and see what the connectors look like on the sender. See if the grease is still there, because it may have cleaned it, and is on its way out again after some time.

[Enki]

Originally Posted by CWP_MS3 ... what kind of differences can you do tune wise on 100% that you can't do on 50/50? I keep seeing you and others say its a big difference, but what changes actually result in more power?

You flow more air. Don't even need to change timing or boost; if memory serves, I was making the same power on full corn with only a NATOR DP and mid pipe and CAI as I was on 50/50 with full proper bolt ons. If memory serves, on 50/50 I was hitting 15.5 PSI @ 6k RPM 100% WGDC stock turbo on 50/50 but only around 13 PSI in the same conditions/tune on full corn.

Edit:
Not sure if you've been following my thread, but I'm hitting 4.05 MAF volts on full corn right now with no intercooler and M60 spraying @ 17 psi, whereas on E29 I was hitting 4.2 volts @ 21 PSI with an intercooler and the same amount of M60 spraying. E85 is fucking nasty on these cars.

[CWP_MS3]

Ugh... I hope this shit works then, cuz you got me about to try 100%.

[Enki]

You know you run out of fuel really quickly right?

Also I'm probably going to make a wiki post sometime soon on some sciencey shit pertaining to gas, alcohols and water.

[CWP_MS3]

Originally Posted by Enki You know you run out of fuel really quickly right? Also I'm probably going to make a wiki post sometime soon on some sciencey shit pertaining to gas, alcohols and water.

You talking MPG or IDCs? lol

[mrmonk7663]

IDC

[speed_freak91]

Both

[Enki]

Mostly both, but right now I'm getting about 20 MPG, including beating on it.

[CWP_MS3]

Originally Posted by Enki Mostly both, but right now I'm getting about 20 MPG, including beating on it.

ZFG for MPG. I get 16-17 during the winter on E85 due to a shitty short commute. But yeah, I'm 105 IDC IIRC. lol But you got me thinking/hoping with running a higher target AFR. So I don't know if there is much for me to gain, number wise.

[littleloogy]

20psi @ 5500 RPM's My IDC were at 130+ car would buck like a son of a bitch.
I went through a tank in a little over 100 miles.


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[Enki]

What are you targeting at WOT? Any WMI?

[littleloogy]

If you are talking to me I was targeting 12.0 and no WMI. This time around I will definitely be it, unless I find someone to build me some custom injectors. $$


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[Enki]

Just started third tank, no issues. Made 21.66 MPG (260 miles, 12 gallons).

[MSP6]

Originally Posted by CWP_MS3 That sounds like its on par with a 50/50 MS6. I'm not sure what sounds about right for E85 on 6's because Rich's car is the only one I've seen in person, and it was making ridiculous power.

I have a speed 3 now, but when I had my 6 I could just crack 300 from time to time on VD, but was consistently in the 290-295 range with full intake and catless dp/tp. This was at 22psi on the K04

With the speed 3 now on full E I'm consistently in the 310 range full intake only, at 20psi.

Needless to say, I don't have an apples to apples of 3 vs 6.

From what I've seen with my VD tracking from 50/50 to full probably nabbed me <10 whp But for the ease of fill up and more consistent trims and AFR's I'll take it. Plus mpg's stayed more or less the same with less expensive fillups.

[littleloogy]

I am having trouble deciding on when internals to get. It's a wash between autotech and Integrated engineering. Part of me wants to get IE's because not many are running them(I like to be different) but the other half tells me I should run what most are running to keep testing parameters the same... Hum. Thoughts?


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[CWP_MS3]

Originally Posted by MSP6 From what I've seen with my VD tracking from 50/50 to full probably nabbed me <10 whp But for the ease of fill up and more consistent trims and AFR's I'll take it. Plus mpg's stayed more or less the same with less expensive fillups.

Hmmm dat is a trade off... Personally, I'm all about nabbing the extra HP if I can. lol

Got walked by a heavily modded WRX, when I happened to be on my mild 93 tune for the first time in 2 years. I was having like Nam flashbacks of the slaughter while trying to sleep for the following 2 weeks. lol First lost to something that wasn't a BT speed or a GTR. Now that I'm back on the juice, I'm looking for dat ass...

[Sandman978]

Originally Posted by littleloogy I am having trouble deciding on when internals to get. It's a wash between autotech and Integrated engineering. Part of me wants to get IE's because not many are running them(I like to be different) but the other half tells me I should run what most are running to keep testing parameters the same... Hum. Thoughts? Sent from my iPhone 6

What's the diff on the piston? You know what you're going to get with the AT, so why risk it lol
Different

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[Enki]

The other kit looks like it has better sealing, and would thus reduce the instance of both deaths.

[littleloogy]

http://www.performancebyie.com/ie-hi...0t-fsi-engines

I guess I'll just get it and see what happened. Reminds me a of the CPE pump internals.



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[littleloogy]

So, apparently this company sells quite a few of these internals to a "no name company who sells them to the Mazdaspeed platform. Perhaps my suspicions were not far off


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[Dano]

are you implying See Pee E

[tegxsi]

Looks very similar so it's possible. I believe CP-E pump has 9.5mm piston while all the other internals are 9.8mm.

[Lex]

With this solution it looks like an aux fuel system starts to really be in the cards if it's a big turbo car on 100%.

Good work everyone!

[Sandman978]

So... Why is there complete pump so much cheaper than some no name company's pump?

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[littleloogy]

They have to feed their monkey @Sandman978;
IE said that they used to use autotechs in their upgraded pumps. Talking with them also revealed that autotech do leak quite a bit of fuel passed the piston. Which is why they stopped using them and designed their own.


I am excited about trying these out. Maybe these internals won't be as loud as the autotechs were.


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[Enki]

Autotech internals do have relatively loose tolerances, but that helps with lubrication. Also, pressure doesn't seem to be an issue with them.

[cletusb]

Where did you hear about them being supplied to a mazdaspeed platform?
When I first found them I was looking at what options vw had.

I thought it was a given that CPE used APR?

[littleloogy]

From IE's mouth. I called and chatted for a few minutes before placing my order. I asked them who they sold to, they could not say.


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[Sandman978]

He who must not be named... Be raping us lol

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[MSP6]

Originally Posted by CWP_MS3 Hmmm dat is a trade off... Personally, I'm all about nabbing the extra HP if I can. lol Got walked by a heavily modded WRX, when I happened to be on my mild 93 tune for the first time in 2 years. I was having like Nam flashbacks of the slaughter while trying to sleep for the following 2 weeks. lol First lost to something that wasn't a BT speed or a GTR. Now that I'm back on the juice, I'm looking for dat ass...

That doesn't happen from me switching to a pump gas tune, but the 1 or 2 days a month I go out in the volvo with the little ones it's like there's 4in straight piped bug-eye wrx's and stanced GTI's fucking everywhere. Second I'm back in the speed it's nothing but minivans and accord hybrids. They get all confused when you sit right next to them and fire off a three honk....

As far as the extra power, its definitely there, just not in gobs. But then, how often can you gain even the slightest bit of power by SAVING money....

[CWP_MS3]

Originally Posted by MSP6 That doesn't happen from me switching to a pump gas tune, but the 1 or 2 days a month I go out in the volvo with the little ones it's like there's 4in straight piped bug-eye wrx's and stanced GTI's fucking everywhere. Second I'm back in the speed it's nothing but minivans and accord hybrids. They get all confused when you sit right next to them and fire off a three honk.... As far as the extra power, its definitely there, just not in gobs. But then, how often can you gain even the slightest bit of power by SAVING money....

Well, my 93 map has my 3rd gear power restricted for traction issues back when I had factory dunlops. So it makes like 270hp in 3rd, and then 300 in 4th. Where as my e85 map makes 320-330 in both gears. lol So its a pretty big difference for me.

Not to mention a big TQ difference as well.

[g00s3y]

Originally Posted by CWP_MS3 I'm pretty sure people have failed on 25% mixes. I've thought about dielectric grease but was concerned about what could happen with it being mixed with the fuel system. I failed 2x on 50% and just stopped fixing it. Said fuck it, and have been running around without a fuel level sender for a year now. You cut your body over the pump, right? Maybe pull it and see what the connectors look like on the sender. See if the grease is still there, because it may have cleaned it, and is on its way out again after some time.

Oh I'm sure that at some time it will fail again, and I'm fine with that. Next time I have the car down for a weekend I'll pull it again. I put it all back together, covered the holes I made, and put the original cover back on.

I'm currently empty and need to go fill up, but I'm torn. Do I go back to 93 and enjoy 300+ miles per tank, stay 50/50, or just go back to full e.... Decisions, decisions...

[CWP_MS3]

Don't be gay... Put E in dat shit.

[littleloogy]

This page was not meant for 50/50 shit. Full E or GTFO!


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