E-85 Cure With Fuel Additives

[littleloogy]

@crutch77; have you read this thread?
Cold start squeaky squeak

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[crutch77]

Originally Posted by littleloogy @crutch77; have you read this thread? Cold start squeaky squeak - Mazdaspeed Forums Sent from a Galaxy far far away...

Nope, hadn't seen that. You're the man!

[JgamB]

I only get the squeak on cold start, and reducing the pressure makes sense but I don't think that is *why* it's squeaking. I don't squeak any other time I'm getting 1800+ psi - so I think it's a lubrication issue. Might be quad rings, might be PRV.

Once they get some liquid love it's done chirping, and since I've added the redline si-1 I might get one or maybe two chirps, but more often none. (3/9 mix) If it was a damaging phenomena, people would be tearing up internals as it's been going on for hundreds of cold starts - I'm thinking it's just gaskets.

[littleloogy]

I have a chemist coming in today. If I get a chance to talk to him I am going to pick his brain about e85, oil, and additives. Maybe he can steer us in the right direction...

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[littleloogy]

Well, I just talked with him. He was a moron, he did not have anything useful to say about E. He beat around the bush back to the product he was pushing. He sounded more like a salesman then a chemist. I will be trying this product however. Supposedly it decreases blow by, and increased MPG by 4-7miles. I told him theses are bold statements, I told him to send me a sample and I would do my own controlled test.

[Enki]

The problem with looking at this issue from a chemistry perspective is you need to know the exact composition of the fuel, oil, and anything else that may be present in either.

The guy that came in probably was a salesman with some kind of chemistry certification from his place of employment that taught him all the right words to use with intelligent people like yourself. Even then, since he didn't really know anything, he wasn't able to fool you with his speil.

[littleloogy]

When i changed out my button valve I left it to soak in a 1/3 oz of e85 treated with redline. I found this after letting it sit for a few days.

The button valve assembly was completely spotless, no goo, no nothing (double negative). Even the spring was sticky free. I remember cleaning the outside of the base beforehand but that was it.

I wonder what the white stuff is... Water? It does not seem to be mixing with the brownish goo. Smells like ass.

Not anything conclusive, just thought it was nice not having to rub the valve clean with a cleaner.

[jtms6]

are you going to try and mix oil in with it next?

[Enki]

Yeah, that's probably water + alcohol. When I doused the corn fire from the hotplate testing, it was white like that as well.

[udntknw]

Through a total 17 gallons over 250 miles. Had a couple cells drop into the 1500's during a datalog but was not there on the 2nd. Other than longer crank time during a cold start, my testing is going well so far. I have gone back to 1oz:1gal for this next fill up in light of the low cells.

Just tapa it in.

[Enki]

How low? If you're hitting 1590s with others around it being mid 1600s then it's probably fine and likely a big injection event that caused the dip (running out of fuel due to long spray time).

[udntknw]

It dropped to 1540 on one cell.
Pretty minor, but I also had the min/max drop to 54psi after the log while cruising.

Edit: @Enki; it should be in the log I sent you the other day.

Just tapa it in.

[Enki]

A 54 is certainly cause for concern, but only if it keeps coming back.

It looks like you're right on the edge, so anything that happens now (including upping your additive) will be fantastic information for the thread.

Just keep in mind: losing HPFP pressure on full e85 is nothing more than an *annoyance* and is not cause for concern regarding the longevity of your engine. I'm proof enough of that (as I probably have the most miles on my car of anyone at ITFP pressure).

[mazdafreak]

Any oil test results yet seeing if additive is breaking down or causing any no-no's?

[NCspecV81]

Think I can add this to a tank of 93 only in attempt to reverse some sticky?

[Enki]

Try it and let us know.

[Easter Bunny]

Originally Posted by littleloogy

using a graduated shot glass for car related chemistry experiments, awesome I love when hobbies collide.

[mazdafreak]

@littleloogy; update on the oil results?

[littleloogy]

Sorry for the delay guys. Had some problems with my little boy. Apparently after 2 open heart surgeries his heart is better, but now he may have a problems with brain. He is going in for a brain MRI to make sure his blood vessels in his squash are ok. Its possible that he might be prone to brain aneurysms. So that's what I have been focusing on.

I will get the results on Monday for the oil. I am at 2500 miles and I have yet to have any problems. At 3000 miles the pump will be pulled as it went through an entire oil change interval.

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[Jeremy M]

Dude fuck that shit with the e85 fix
Put ALL your time into your son and family. My son had cancer and beat it and I never regret a day for putting my family first. I wish him the best

[littleloogy]

Originally Posted by udntknw It dropped to 1540 on one cell. Pretty minor, but I also had the min/max drop to 54psi after the log while cruising. Edit: @Enki; it should be in the log I sent you the other day. Just tapa it in.

I too get pressure drop during every log in the high 1500's every 10-15 cells below 4500 RPMs, I assuming its fine.

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[mazdafreak]

Family first bro. E85 can wait!


Hope everything is well and works out!

[Enki]

Originally Posted by littleloogy I too get pressure drop during every log in the high 1500's every 10-15 cells below 4500 RPMs, I assuming its fine. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk

Need to see some logs if I haven't already. PM me a link or mention me or something and I'll see if I can help.

[Bratschist]

I also want to help by providing more data. I currently run a 4/10 mix, but I'm due for an oil change and would like to use my car as tester too. Problem is that I don't know how to tune for full e


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[udntknw]

I haven't gotten any low pressure since I went back to 1oz:1gallon. But I think I and going to have to back out of the testing. The added cost of additives at every 8 gallons every 3 days is hurting the wallet and with a rebuild also going on, just can't swing it anymore. But I know I can run at least 600mi on T6 with the additive I was using.

just tapa it in.

[Ferdball]

The car is a very close second, but family always comes first. Especially young offspring. Hope he pulls though healthy.

[littleloogy]

Ok @Enki; I did a quickie for you as I Was coming home from Jamba Juice. I almost spilled my drink. It is pretty similar to how my other logs looked. Loogies.csv

[Enki]

You have a separate thread I can post comments in? Don't want to clutter this one...

[littleloogy]

Thank you for helping me understand my Fuel Pressure issues @Enki;

Here is the Report from Blackstone. For some reason i wrote down a 10w40 Oil Type. They knew better and do pay attention.
CCE04172014_00000.pdf



This Report looks good minus the Silicon levels. I am Digging the Moly plating compared to Penzoil Ultra.

[phate]

Might want to get rid of your personal info from that report...

[littleloogy]

Thank you for looking out @phate; I forget sometimes of what kind of world we live in. Here is the updated Oil Report.
CCE04172014_00000.pdf

[mazdafreak]

Looks like it's thinning the oil out pretty good tho.


But good to see no crazy harmful shit happening.

[littleloogy]

Yes, I am relieved. I don't see why I can't keep going with this test. I will continue to drive it hard until 3000 miles at which time I will post up how the pump looks after 3000 miles of Full E along with another oil report. I am concerned about the Cam Follower, as it was slapping my pump when the internals were sticking on the cold startup on my road trip.

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[Enki]

Originally Posted by mazdafreak Looks like it's thinning the oil out pretty good tho. But good to see no crazy harmful shit happening.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but I think the "thinning" comment they made had to do with the fact he's actually running a 5-30 oil but listed it as a 10-40.

[littleloogy]

Originally Posted by Enki Please correct me if I'm wrong but I think the "thinning" comment they made had to do with the fact he's actually running a 5-30 oil but listed it as a 10-40.

This is correct. I did not list the correct oil on my slip. I am running 10w30, not 10w40.

[mazdafreak]

Ohh well that makes more sense then lol.


Can't wait till my shit is back together to run full E again!

[PapaSmurf]

Any updates?


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[sidekick]

Originally Posted by littleloogy Yes, I am relieved. I don't see why I can't keep going with this test. I will continue to drive it hard until 3000 miles at which time I will post up how the pump looks after 3000 miles of Full E along with another oil report. I am concerned about the Cam Follower, as it was slapping my pump when the internals were sticking on the cold startup on my road trip. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk

I would just keep an eye on it and inspect it closely every time you pull the pump. It will be obvious if it is wearing. VW's FSI engines are still eating cam followers to the point of breaking through them. Lol.

[littleloogy]

I have finally determined the source of my high silicon levels in my recent oil report and have concluded that the elevated levels were caused by a hardware malfunction and not from the fuel additive as Blackstone theorized. My 3 port EBCS return to intake line was not connected to the tip, this allowed dirty unmetered air to get into my system.

I am approaching the 3000 mile mark on Full E85 with this additive, and I still do not have any problems to report. I do need to change my oil soon. I got a lot of requests to test Rotella with this additive. It seems to be the most popular choice of oils.

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[udntknw]

I know with the additive I was using with the Rotella, got me about 600+ miles. I had to give up testing as added cost of the additive and burning through 8 gallons E every 3 days was killing me. I would hope to see similar results with a different additive as well.

just tapa it in.