E-85 Cure With Fuel Additives

[Easter Bunny]

Originally Posted by littleloogy Its not that bad actually. It takes me 4 minutes to complete the direct injection process. I do not do it after every shutdown. I do it at the last shutdown of the day, Right before I go sleepy time. I have started creating a parts list and doing a bit of studying for the best parts for this kit. The hardest part will be finding VW/Audi covers, as I don't believe the covers are sold separately.

if this works out, having a cover machined specifically for this use wouldnt be that much of a hassle.

[Emew]

Cap off the outlet on the VW cover, get some sort of solenoid on the inlet with a small cap/opening/tank for dumping in some of this additive. Wire it up to be a switch or button you hold for 2 seconds and it'd be a cakewalk to maintain.

[littleloogy]

Originally Posted by Emew Cap off the outlet on the VW cover, get some sort of solenoid on the inlet with a small cap/opening/tank for dumping in some of this additive. Wire it up to be a switch or button you hold for 2 seconds and it'd be a cakewalk to maintain.

Gee why didn't I think of that? Oh wait...

Originally Posted by littleloogy I tried running lean on the additive with negative results. I was having a bad time driving to work. Pressure got really inconsistent. I ended up pouring some additive directly into my spill valve area to stop my internals from sticking... Shit worked almost instantly. Now I have another idea... Direct injection for the additive, directly into the pump. It will be Controlled by a button in the cab, when internals start to stick... Hit the goo button. Similar to an IV, But pressurized. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk

Read the thread before posting shit that has already been mentioned.

[cocoanton]

@littleloogy; and @Enki; , the mad scientists! Little loogy, you are stubborn and it gives results! What you guys are doing for e85 on this plattform is epic and will go down as its own chapter in the msf chronicles!

[Emew]

Originally Posted by littleloogy Gee why didn't I think of that? Oh wait... Read the thread before posting shit that has already been mentioned.

Consider it approval of your genius idea! I'm not tryin to rip off you more so thinking out loud, it sounds like a sweet setup!

[rolanblack]

May be a dumb idea but could you possibly tap in the hard fuel line and make a drip with the additive alone? Or maybe a version of 5th port to directly add the additive? Just thoughts.

[Jap11g]

The only dumb thought is the one not mentioned ;D

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[littleloogy]

I want to apologize for the lack of updates. I am currently Running into a problem. The problem is that I do not have a problem. I have been waiting for death to attack my pump so I can actually collect some data with this oil and install the injection system. I do not know if it is the oil @Enki; suggested I use, or if it is because I used the additive as a Cleaner/Lubricant when I cleaned and installed the pump. I have 800 miles on the pump since the last rebuild, I have opened the spill valve a few times to check for stickiness, which has been minimal. Here is the Log incase anyone wants to see, its hot outside
No problem.csv

I have decided not to wait any longer for death as it seems as though it will never appear. This week I will try to get the prototype injection system installed and try my best to calibrate it If time allows. I am hoping it works, its about time we all find out.

[cocoanton]

Can hardly wait for future update on this!

[rolanblack]

Hell yea dude. That is actually great news.

Have you figured out where/what you might install the prototype injection system onto?

[Riztnack]

Thank you for all the testing and research that you have put into this. I will be watching this thread closely.

[squilliam]

looking very promising. hope you can get a system up and running soon!

[Easter Bunny]

In before injection system is made from parts of penis pump.

[Constantin]

Originally Posted by Easter Bunny In before injection system is made from parts of penis pump.

That would be good news! Since everybody here will be able to replicate it immediately.

[JgamB]

I'm still trying to figure out why it's imperative we can run 50-100% E. We don't have the injector headroom and 96 RON ~ 3/9 mix will get you to MBT -2. I'm drunk but this pursuit seems silly for nothing more than beating an obstacle that ... isn't really an obstacle. Splain this shit to me James, and it better be more than "cuz stubborn".

[Enki]

Ethanol carries oxygen. More ethanol = more oxygen AND more cooling.

It's going to be a game changer for stock turbo cars, OR cars with 5/xth port and high comp pistons or redicuboost.

[JgamB]

Originally Posted by Enki Ethanol carries oxygen. More ethanol = more oxygen AND more cooling. It's going to be a game changer for stock turbo cars, OR cars with 5/xth port and high comp pistons or redicuboost.

I was sorta applying this to your current setup with the EFR kit and pre-HPFP replacement woes. Seemed like injector headroom would be more important with your pressures normalized, and meth providing much better BATs for your AZ temps.

I will refrain from adding further drunken comments damning the project, as my faux IDCs are currently happy at 95-96% feeding the beener, and a meth kit is my next great hope for defeating the staging lane heat soak.

[Enki]

Originally Posted by JgamB I was sorta applying this to your current setup with the EFR kit and pre-HPFP replacement woes. Seemed like injector headroom would be more important with your pressures normalized, and meth providing much better BATs for your AZ temps. I will refrain from adding further drunken comments damning the project, as my faux IDCs are currently happy at 95-96% feeding the beener, and a meth kit is my next great hope for defeating the staging lane heat soak.

Meth is all well and good, but it's far, FAR better to reduce the temperature of the air *INSIDE* the cylinder as that has the greatest effect on volumetric efficiency.

Also, send me a log; love to see what an AZ BNRS3 can do.

[littleloogy]

Its quite simple really. I do not like that when people say things can't be done. I take it as a personal challenge. So yes, stubbornness...
Besides that, after going full E for an extended period of time. I have been working very hard on my tune, at least 40 revisions. With advise from everyone as they converse among themselves in various threads. I have picked up tips on fueling. playing with phasing, VTT, Timing, @and boost, which has enabled me to develop a custom tune that not only is safe to run, but also very fuel efficient (almost as good as petrol). The one thing that amazes me, is that I am mostly stock. I only have a racepipe, and an intake and I am doing the 60-100 in 5.5 seconds.

Answer me this @JgamB; do you want to mix fuel the rest of your life? I sure as hell don't. Would it not he bad ass to top off with E and not have to worry about about how much fuel you have left and calculating ratios? Mixing fuel sucks, fuel trims are always changing because the fuel is never constant.

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[littleloogy]

Ain't no going back now... FUCK!

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[Scott4957]

Nice, thanks for all your hard work on this!

[Dimenus]

Any update @littleloogy; ?

[IshiKage]

What's the deal, any recent updates or findings?

[littleloogy]

Yup. Got it figured out.

6,000 miles. Full E. No pump rebuilds. Doing more testing before I say if it actually works or not.

Here is the new type of back death after my latest mod.

New Black Death E85:

YouTube Short

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[Bratschist]

Recently my car caught on fire and it now gone. I'm saying this bc I want to wish good luck to this project as I'm leaving the mazdaspeed scene. Enjoy your rides and consider keeping a fire extinguisher in the car. It could have saved my ms6. I don't mean to derail the thread, so don't worry about posting about this. Enjoy all

[pzr2874]

So it feels gritty or like a fuckin booger?

[Enki]

Originally Posted by littleloogy Yup. Got it figured out. 6,000 miles. Full E. No pump rebuilds. Doing more testing before I say if it actually works or not. Here is the new type of back death after my latest mod. New Black Death E85: New Black Death E85 - YouTube Sent From a Galaxy, Far Far Away...

This post is conflicting. Discovering a new type of black death doesn't really bode well, but 6k miles does. I'm assuming this is using your injection system to keep the pump healthy...?

[littleloogy]

Originally Posted by Enki This post is conflicting. Discovering a new type of black death doesn't really bode well, but 6k miles does. I'm assuming this is using your injection system to keep the pump healthy...?

Let's not call it black death that was incorrect. Let's call it brown mushy goo. @pzr2874; It is soft, and not sticky. I found this after my initial test of the new method. After I re installed the pump I have not touched it. I assume the goo is in my pump, just not affecting operation.

I threw that injection mod shit out the window. It was pretty fun playing with and it worked OK, but for my daily driver it was impractical. I wanted to keep this simplified




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[littleloogy]

Originally Posted by pzr2874 So it feels gritty or like a fuckin booger?

Yes, more like a soft booger. You know, not hard but not too wet. Just a nice well rounded boogie that you can flick and stick on the window at work.

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[pzr2874]

So in essence, it could go away the longer it stays there. Did you take it apart for giggles or because of drops in pressure?

[littleloogy]

Originally Posted by pzr2874 So in essence, it could go away the longer it stays there. Did you take it apart for giggles or because of drops in pressure?

I took it apart after a few hundred miles just to see if the new idea did anything different. Sure enough, it did. I have been seeing how far I can go, and the results have been incredible.

I will admit I have taken my spill valve apart before every long road trip just for piece of mind, not because of failure. When I change my oil i will take my pump apart, I'll take some pictures with some instructions on how I did everything. Then I guess I will need to find a new hobby.

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[Enki]

I'll see about getting more testers for whatever this new method is on board here in AZ.

[twenty5psi]

That is awesome if you think have this figured out well enough to make full E(or even aggressive blends like past 50/50) a practical option for this platform. I guess it begs the question, what can the stock fuel system support power-wise on full E? @rfinkle2 @TiGraySpeed6

[Jap11g]

So... We did determine the running redline fuel system cleaner helped though, right? Even if it isn't used as an automated injection system?

[udntknw]

I can say @twenty5psi; , stock turbo, bolted (minus mani's) making about 300 @ 3000ASL, I was running 105% + IDC's @ 11.8 afr.

Edit: on full E

[Enki]

Originally Posted by twenty5psi That is awesome if you think have this figured out well enough to make full E(or even aggressive blends like 50/50) a practical option for this platform. I guess it begs the question, what can the stock fuel system support power-wise on full E?

Two things.

1. 50/50 is fine for extended periods of time. I ran it for years. This has been covered in this very thread numerous times.

2. Big turbo cars will be limited on how much they can flow boost/GS wise. I ran out of fuel @ 10 PSI on my EFR, but I had fuel pump issues so no idea what it would be at now.

[mrmonk7663]

I'm out of fuel on 50/50 at 15psi on a 3076.

[twenty5psi]

Originally Posted by Enki Two things. 1. 50/50 is fine for extended periods of time. I ran it for years. This has been covered in this very thread numerous times. 2. Big turbo cars will be limited on how much they can flow boost/GS wise. I ran out of fuel @ 10 PSI on my EFR, but I had fuel pump issues so no idea what it would be at now.

Whoops! I meant to say past 50/50, but seems useless for most people to blend past 50/50;at that point you're not going to see K04 gains and BT you'd need more fuel. I figured on full E you could run into fueling issues even on the K04.

[littleloogy]

Originally Posted by twenty5psi Whoops! I meant to say past 50/50, but seems useless for most people to blend past 50/50;at that point you're not going to see K04 gains and BT you'd need more fuel. I figured on full E you could run into fueling issues even on the K04.

Yes. I ran out of fuel on the K04. After a lot of fine tuning and work I was able to successfully maintain fuel pressure and IDC without sacrificing airflow. I am worried about winter though.

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[Enki]

Do you have stock boost control/boost reference or have you modded ebcs/reference/wga?