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cld12pk2go 07-26-2011 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bewsted (Post 955426)
cld i want your weather thats all i can say LOL!

It was ~107°F heat index this weekend. I am enjoying it merely being mid 90's heat index today.

bewsted 07-26-2011 05:18 PM

Same over here in St. Louis.

So in this log were you on the e85 and meth or just e85?

cld12pk2go 07-26-2011 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bewsted (Post 955433)
Same over here in St. Louis.

So in this log were you on the e85 and meth or just e85?

Always both.

bewsted 07-26-2011 06:25 PM

Why are ur maf g/s so low?

tapa dat ass

cld12pk2go 07-27-2011 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by cld12pk2go (Post 955382)
Here is one of mine from today. My MAF curve is scaled up 7% from 0-80 g/s. The rest is identical to my non E85 curve. What is your MAF scaling for E85?

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Originally Posted by bewsted (Post 955518)
Why are ur maf g/s so low?

tapa dat ass


I have zero scaling to account for the E40 above 80g/s. So my g/s have not been artificially inflated anywhere I am logging over 80g/s.

bewsted 07-27-2011 05:15 AM

I was just curious because I'm pretty sure I was seeing higher than those numbers on a 93 tune.

I know when I attempted to calibrate mine using the 93 maf cal the car felt like a turd.

cld12pk2go 07-27-2011 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by bewsted (Post 956185)
I was just curious because I'm pretty sure I was seeing higher than those numbers on a 93 tune.

I know when I attempted to calibrate mine using the 93 maf cal the car felt like a turd.

The log I posted was with 91°F ambient temp, where I will usually peak in the mid 260 g/s. I can get 290-300g/s when it is 20°F out.

bewsted 07-27-2011 07:09 AM

You going to be leaning out soon?

I'm at 12.6 ATM and the car loves it. Especially with the timing the way it is.

Were you running E85 when you dynod last?

Dano 07-27-2011 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by bewsted (Post 955366)
Here she be....its too fucking hot outside....Car runs like poo poo in the heat.

Wow, advance, AFR and pegging the MAP.

You like pushing the limits much? :)

but on a serious note, FWIW I'd be careful with all of that esp on E85 mix. That is some serious advance in the meat of the curve compared to 93 + 100% meth.

The AFR is skewed somewhat I suppose due to the E85 mix so that's hard to determine just how lean it is. I suppose the 12.4 isn't that bad but the 12.7 above 5K @ 120* BAT has got to be too lean, no?

The 22.63 PSI could be anywhere above that and you'd never know it with no safeguard. Its only for a second but that's all it takes LOL.

superskaterxes 07-27-2011 09:40 AM

bewested, what are your mods?

you need to get rid of that dip in AFR as you come on to boost. it has to do with your transition from CL to OL fueling tables but i would def address it.

FWIW my timing looks the same dano with about 3 more degrees by RL and 100 more g/s lolol

phate 07-27-2011 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Dano2010 (Post 956409)
The AFR is skewed somewhat I suppose due to the E85 mix so that's hard to determine just how lean it is. I suppose the 12.4 isn't that bad but the 12.7 above 5K @ 120* BAT has got to be too lean, no?

Actual AFR reading is skewed, but lambda is still correct :)

bewsted 07-27-2011 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by superskaterxes (Post 956481)
bewested, what are your mods?

you need to get rid of that dip in AFR as you come on to boost. it has to do with your transition from CL to OL fueling tables but i would def address it.

FWIW my timing looks the same dano with about 3 more degrees by RL and 100 more g/s lolol

Mods: Fully bolted - FMIC. (Gutted stock dp)(Testpipe) 6.5 Gallons E85 (Stock turbo)

All of my tables match....OL and CL.

My guess is something with the MAF cal.

As far as pushing the limits?
Isn't that what we are here to do?

And the pushing the map? 23 psi is set for boost cut. The stock map sensor stops collection data past 23 psi if i understand correctly. So i don't really see my boost pushing as being a problem.


BTW Dano I in no way am trying to be a smartass. Just wanted to say that ahead of time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by phate (Post 956561)
Actual AFR reading is skewed, but lambda is still correct :)

Are you saying i finally got it right LMAO? JK

Dano 07-27-2011 10:31 AM

hahah I didn't think you were being a smartass.

the sensor "reads" to 23PSI but IIRC its accepted knowledge it isn't accurate above 22.

So your 22.63 could be 24.

The actual PSI isn't as alarming as the fact that you will never see boost cut unless you set it to 22, I doubt the 23 limit will ever be seen by the MAP.

sorry to get so far OT Phate :)

bewsted 07-27-2011 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Dano2010 (Post 956585)
hahah I didn't think you were being a smartass.

the sensor "reads" to 23PSI but IIRC its accepted knowledge it isn't accurate above 22.

So your 22.63 could be 24.

Well i suppose a lil WG dip could solve that LOL.

I will say this....I can't believe how ALIVE the car has become.....

I ran next to a gsx-r 650 or 750.....from 50 - 110 he didnt even get a bike on me.,.......It made my peen hard LMAO

Dano 07-27-2011 10:41 AM

hhaha

I love beating up on the smaller bikes....they're like WTF just happened....that wagon just hung with me or, sometimes I pull them a bit. :)

good times!

phate 07-27-2011 10:45 AM

Running bikes is fun. I got the best "WTF IS IN THAT THING!!!" look a couple of weeks ago from a biker.

bewsted 07-27-2011 11:01 AM

I got the thumbs up from this guy...i about shat when i heard him shift twice and i was next to him still

Im anxious to spend some time on the dyno dialing this in

cld12pk2go 07-27-2011 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bewsted (Post 956255)
You going to be leaning out soon?

I'm at 12.6 ATM and the car loves it. Especially with the timing the way it is.

Were you running E85 when you dynod last?

My last dyno (results in my sig) were from about 17 months ago with 1.5 PSI less boost, 2-3° less timing, and no E85 compared to where I am now.

I have been slowly leaning out over the past few months from 11.8:1 to my current 12.2:1.

NJSPEED3 07-27-2011 04:45 PM

Awesome thread!! great job all around guys

bewsted 07-27-2011 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by cld12pk2go (Post 957438)
My last dyno (results in my sig) were from about 17 months ago with 1.5 PSI less boost, 2-3° less timing, and no E85 compared to where I am now.

I have been slowly leaning out over the past few months from 11.8:1 to my current 12.2:1.

12.4-12.5 is where the car came unglued if you will...With very similar timing to what I'm running now.

But I know @phate will be getting on the dyno soon and I am trying to follow suit and get that done soon.

I plan to kick all the timing values down a couple 2 or 3 degrees and make a pull with each timing setting and will have the logs as well for the results.

So we can figure out what ranges could use less or more timing and what the gains are after adjust them...

I don't know everything nor do i claim to. I am just going to attempt to contribute something useful here......I may fail LOL

BigjohnB20 07-27-2011 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bewsted (Post 957485)
12.4-12.5 is where the car came unglued if you will...With very similar timing to what I'm running now.

But I know @phate will be getting on the dyno soon and I am trying to follow suit and get that done soon.

I plan to kick all the timing values down a couple 2 or 3 degrees and make a pull with each timing setting and will have the logs as well for the results.

So we can figure out what ranges could use less or more timing and what the gains are after adjust them...

I don't know everything nor do i claim to. I am just going to attempt to contribute something useful here......I may fail LOL

What mods did you have and what kind of tune were you running for you 288/340 or whatever is in your sig? Were you running any EtOH at that point?

I was just looking at your log again compared to one I just took on the way home. Yours is fucking crazy man. Pushing a lot of numbers and oh so lean. Makes my car look like a civic or something lol. You really make me want to run down the street and put 4 gallons in my shit. How long have you been running the ~50% mixture? Any adverse affects yet?

Either way, keep it up. Looking forward to when you can get on the dyno.

bewsted 07-27-2011 06:54 PM

Step Colder Plugs..Pump Internals..Crushed DSM BOV..Gutted Stock DP..Test Pipe..Res Delete...HTP Inlet...Custom SRI...Self Tuned on 5.5-6.5 Gallons...

The car runs like a raped ape.. For sure. I've been running this setup for a couple months now.


Not that it really matters but it was 100 degrees out the day I dnynoed with UBER humidity...

cld12pk2go 07-27-2011 07:11 PM

Just compared my log from today vs my March 2010 dyno (in sig)...

Here are the differences in timing:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j6...Dynotiming.jpg

More than I thought...I really need to get back on the dyno...

My table calls for 16.5° at 6500 RPMs today, but I got 1° of KR.

bewsted 07-27-2011 07:48 PM

Guess its time to knock that bitch back down a degree....

cld12pk2go 07-27-2011 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bewsted (Post 957761)
Guess its time to knock that bitch back down a degree....

Only if it repeats. I need some more datalogs first.

phate 07-28-2011 09:47 AM

Here's the most recent UOA:

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...50050Miles.jpg

Note: This is NOT with Mobil 1 0W/40. This is Rotella T6 5W-40. For some reason, they still have the 0-40 on file from my Mercedes...

bewsted 07-28-2011 10:04 AM

That rotella is the tits...Thats all i ever use.

superskaterxes 07-28-2011 10:55 AM

i switched to penzoil ultra as its cheaper then the rotella yet is passing tests ahead of RL and amsoil which are true full synthetics (not that mobile 1 garbage)

triplejumper18 07-28-2011 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by superskaterxes (Post 958780)
i switched to penzoil ultra as its cheaper then the rotella yet is passing tests ahead of RL and amsoil which are true full synthetics (not that mobile 1 garbage)

Where the hell did you find Pennzoil Ultra Euro 5w-40 for less than T6?

phate 07-28-2011 11:43 AM

Please do not turn this into an oil discussion/debate. There are plenty of other threads for this...I only posted the UOA to show it is not damaging anything.

zenger 07-28-2011 11:48 AM

What's all this talk about running and beating bikes?

If anyone pulled a 600cc sport bike, I can't believe it or you raced a fella that was 400 lbs on it.

Enki 07-28-2011 12:22 PM

Hey Phate, I know it's only been a few days but any word on the KMD internals? Did they look scuffed or anything compared to when they were installed originally?

I'm about due for some internals myself and want to make sure I get something that will hold up to anything I throw at it.

bewsted 07-28-2011 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zenger (Post 958890)
What's all this talk about running and beating bikes?

If anyone pulled a 600cc sport bike, I can't believe it or you raced a fella that was 400 lbs on it.

I ran right next to a newer gsx-r 600 from 50 -110

phate 07-28-2011 12:31 PM

@Enki - I just sent them out yesterday. They didn't look any different than they have. Thinking about this now, I should have gotten some close up shots, similar to the beginning of the thread :/

ps - I won't reinstall internals until after I drop the tank and check out the ITFP situation.

driver311 07-28-2011 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zenger (Post 958890)
What's all this talk about running and beating bikes?

If anyone pulled a 600cc sport bike, I can't believe it or you raced a fella that was 400 lbs on it.

I raced a 600 just a few weeks ago twice and put a few cars on him. 30-120ish. Several .org members witnessed the race. The guy on the 600 was really confused on how I pulled him. LOL

Quote:

Originally Posted by bewsted (Post 958976)
I ran right next to a newer gsx-r 600 from 50 -110

My buddy has 07gsxr 600 and he runs consistant 11.0-11.2@122-124 on it at 2900ft track. If you are beating him thats pretty impressive.

driver311 07-28-2011 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bewsted (Post 957485)
12.4-12.5 is where the car came unglued if you will...With very similar timing to what I'm running now.

But I know @phate will be getting on the dyno soon and I am trying to follow suit and get that done soon.

I plan to kick all the timing values down a couple 2 or 3 degrees and make a pull with each timing setting and will have the logs as well for the results.

So we can figure out what ranges could use less or more timing and what the gains are after adjust them...

I don't know everything nor do i claim to. I am just going to attempt to contribute something useful here......I may fail LOL

My car also gains a bunch of power going from 12.0 afr to 12.5. Its in the logs and I can straight up feel the difference. Back in the day when I was running 12.7 on just testpipe, intake and bc my afrs were mid 12s and the car ran sooo good. These disi motors dont wanna be rich. 11s is to rich and people keep associating rich with safe. Its not true. Look at all the guys running low 11s afr and seeing knock all the time. I never saw knock in my car running mid low 12s afr. All cars are different and thats the benefit of directly shooting fuel into the combustion chamber.

phate 07-28-2011 12:54 PM

I think you're on the right track, I see less "phantom" knock (<1.05 KR) with the leaner tunes on E85.

bewsted 07-28-2011 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by driver311 (Post 958989)
I raced a 600 just a few weeks ago twice and put a few cars on him. 30-120ish. Several .org members witnessed the race. The guy on the 600 was really confused on how I pulled him. LOL



My buddy has 07gsxr 600 and he runs consistant 11.0-11.2@122-124 on it at 2900ft track. If you are beating him thats pretty impressive.

I heard 2 shifts from 50-110...He didn't get a full bike on me when i let off.

Dano 07-28-2011 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zenger (Post 958890)
What's all this talk about running and beating bikes?

If anyone pulled a 600cc sport bike, I can't believe it or you raced a fella that was 400 lbs on it.


its troof....normal weight guy....done it a few times to 600cc bikes and I didn't say I dropped them. I stayed even with one bike and slightly pulled another...maybe 1/2 car length before we let off....raced an 1100cc but it didn't go so well LOL Those are better left to the S2K from Hell :)


zenger 07-28-2011 01:55 PM

I can see BT cars pulling or hanging but the stock k04 idk lol

I know when I'd phuck with a car on my 600 I would never even down shift really, unless it was a vette. So maybe didn't feel threatened then was like ut oh lol


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