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Dano 10-01-2015 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Easter Bunny (Post 2959165)
Bicker like schoolgirls and post cat gifs.

rhetorical question but..

touche'

littleloogy 10-01-2015 06:37 PM

Luckily, I don't think this thread has had any cats...


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Enki 10-01-2015 10:16 PM

I'll be doing this on my true racecar build, automated of course (cause lazy). Not on the Mazda though, bit of a pain in the ass getting it set up right for that unless extra holes drilled and tapped into the filter housing or plate or whatever. Falcon will be dry sump though, so no worries there.

davychronic 10-02-2015 06:45 AM

Im also curious about what draining the fp housing will do. That plug makes me curious like it was designed for the drain and changed after production maybe? If you do it, im interested if the lobe sees increased wear.

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davychronic 10-02-2015 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Enki (Post 2958737)
Here's something to think about:

It looks to me like the HPFP cam lobe area is drowning in oil, and there might be a way to drain it back to the pan easily...Chew on these pictures for a bit:

I think what you are saying is oil feed, i think is oil drain. There is a little hole in the cam cap that is tied to bearing oil feed. So it looks like its designed to fill with oil and drain out that top hole, through the housing and out that bigger hole in the head. If you look at that hole in the head closely youll see what im talking about
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sorry for my shitty pictures, i can get better ones if you need

Mazdazilla6 10-02-2015 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by littleloogy (Post 2959133)
Must find the patent info and see why they put it in there.


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Patent info doesn't include housing IIRC. Unless there's a separate patent.

Patent US20030017069 - High pressure fuel pump for internal combustion engine - Google Patents

littleloogy 10-02-2015 10:16 AM

Thanks, I have that document already, I was looking for the engine docs


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Nitr0EngiE 10-02-2015 11:31 AM

I am not sure what is being discussed here at this point, last I checked things were being modified in the pump to help keep it clean now you guys are talking about draining oil.

Me personally do not believe I would modify anything to do with the oil system for the pump as noone has ever had issues with the stock setup and Mazda engineers know a fuck of allot more than we ever will.

With that said I cant read through all this banter, were there any conclusions made on your physical modifications, last I had seen you were doing many things and tearing the pump down almost daily.

littleloogy 10-02-2015 11:59 AM

E85 Remedy with HPFP Hardware modifications
 
So, what your saying is you want more fuel pump mods that no one will ever use? I almost blew @Enki;'/s fuel rail with some of these mods... We all figured out a better way to run 100%E without fucking with the fuel pump. This thread is now about Waco ideas that will benefit our platform. But we do have something fuel related in the works... But for now, oil drain and why that's there is a head scratcher...


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Nitr0EngiE 10-02-2015 12:03 PM

No that's not what I said. You basically answered my question, which is where are we on this project and you just said basically fuel pump mods have been abandoned and you have another solution? I was trying to catch up from where I left off, but there is allot of random talking going on(hence oil drain).

Please link me to the other solution.

Nitr0EngiE 10-02-2015 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by davychronic (Post 2959315)
Im also curious about what draining the fp housing will do. That plug makes me curious like it was designed for the drain and changed after production maybe? If you do it, im interested if the lobe sees increased wear.

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if you guys read the FSM you will find that drain is there to use before removing the pump housing, drain it before removal to reduce the mess; however, I have never removed my plug and I just let the oil drop into paper towels and such.

In the FSM you will find this in the pump housing removal steps.

EDIT: I rather clean up the mess instead of dealing with a potential leaking plug after removal

littleloogy 10-02-2015 12:24 PM

Buzz kill.


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Dano 10-02-2015 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitr0EngiE (Post 2959475)
No that's not what I said. You basically answered my question, which is where are we on this project and you just said basically fuel pump mods have been abandoned and you have another solution? I was trying to catch up from where I left off, but there is allot of random talking going on(hence oil drain).

Please link me to the other solution.

the solution is to use Royal Purple DEXOS oil and Redline Si-1 in the pump. Although with IE internals I think the Si-1 is not necessary. loogy's testing is ongoing IIRC.

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...-steps-186427/

Nitr0EngiE 10-02-2015 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dano (Post 2959508)
the solution is to use Royal Purple DEXOS oil and Redline Si-1 in the pump. Although with IE internals I think the Si-1 is not necessary. loogy's testing is ongoing IIRC.

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...-steps-186427/

thanks Dano =) how you been man ?

Dano 10-03-2015 11:10 AM

doin good, nothing exciting going on.

littleloogy 10-03-2015 03:51 PM

Maybe you can teach us something about phantom ghost in our engine bay... You ever find it? D?


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Dano 10-05-2015 04:48 PM

I don't even want to answer that...

littleloogy 10-05-2015 05:05 PM

If it makes you feel any better I have started getting some random knock, bad thing is I'm still running lots of E [emoji45]

I first noticed it a few months ago. I was seeing less then 2 KR. Now it is in the 6's. It's so random, I have not been able to catch it on the data log yet.


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Easter Bunny 10-05-2015 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by littleloogy (Post 2960892)
If it makes you feel any better I have started getting some random knock, bad thing is I'm still running lots of E [emoji45]

I first noticed it a few months ago. I was seeing less then 2 KR. Now it is in the 6's. It's so random, I have not been able to catch it on the data log yet.


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Umm. That would be a zoom zoom boom son.

littleloogy 10-05-2015 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Easter Bunny (Post 2960900)
Umm. That would be a zoom zoom boom son.


I was thinking that at first as well. But now I am leaning towards a VVT failure. I tried zeroing out the table thinking my VTT could be causing the noise. But I still get 10 degrees of registered advancement. I assume something loose?

I am all game for a build, but I need to ask for educational reasons. If this was a ZZB What would cause a such a random knock? I am talking about one episode during a 2 hr drive... I assumed a engine on its way out would knock more frequently.


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Easter Bunny 10-05-2015 06:04 PM

Cracked ringland could do any number of weird things.

speedfreak44 10-05-2015 06:10 PM

I would stop expecting the worst and check small stuff first. My intercooler shroud was causing me random kr up to about 3.5*

littleloogy 10-05-2015 06:13 PM

Hope for the best, plan for the worst. Either way, it's been a few years since I have done any leak down/compression tests. Should do one anyway. Who knows, maybe 30,000 miles on E has finally taken its toll.


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Dano 10-05-2015 11:18 PM

That's likely something external causing the registered knock. You can run a leak test to confirm good rings and lands.

Tappin

littleloogy 10-06-2015 09:15 AM

Went over my engine bay, possible mount issue again. Thinking about getting new Passenger, Transmission, and Rear motor mounts. . Tired of this shit. https://vimeo.com/141552054


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davychronic 10-06-2015 09:18 AM

Nice, thatll do it. Bet you were happy to see that.

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g00s3y 10-06-2015 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by littleloogy (Post 2961179)
Went over my engine bay, possible mount issue again. Thinking about getting new Passenger, Transmission, and Rear motor mounts. . Tired of this shit. https://vimeo.com/141552054


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Get the DM mounts, 100% worth it in every way.

Enki 10-06-2015 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by g00s3y (Post 2961194)
Get the DM mounts, 100% worth it in every way.

Quote:

Originally Posted by g00s3y (Post 2961194)
Get the DM mounts, 100% worth it in every way.

Quote:

Originally Posted by g00s3y (Post 2961194)
Get the DM mounts, 100% worth it in every way.

Quote:

Originally Posted by g00s3y (Post 2961194)
Get the DM mounts, 100% worth it in every way.

Quote:

Originally Posted by g00s3y (Post 2961194)
Get the DM mounts, 100% worth it in every way.

Can't be QFT enough.

MSP611 10-06-2015 02:06 PM

wat mounts do u have?



Quote:

Originally Posted by littleloogy (Post 2961179)
Went over my engine bay, possible mount issue again. Thinking about getting new Passenger, Transmission, and Rear motor mounts. . Tired of this shit. https://vimeo.com/141552054


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Enki 10-06-2015 02:30 PM

Looks like Corksport rear at the least. I'd get that thing warrantied.

Nliiitend1 10-06-2015 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Enki (Post 2961447)
Looks like Corksport rear at the least. I'd get that thing warrantied.

That rear mount itself doesn't really appear to have a problem. If anything, it looks like it's the eye bushing in the OEM aluminum bracket that is allowing movement/noise (in the video, at least)... :dunno:

littleloogy 10-06-2015 10:26 PM

Well here is a close up of the mount torqued to max CS spec of 66lb/lbs. yuck...
https://vimeo.com/141626492

Looks to me that running the stock TMM for as long as I did cause lateral pressure which has been wearing out the sides of the mount. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10...a6426da89a.jpg
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10...5dc3ff0193.jpg
So I searched my tool box, junk box, and garage floor for something the use as a shim. I ended up using a few spark plug indexing shims and a thing-a-am-jig. All better.
https://vimeo.com/141626858


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littleloogy 10-10-2015 11:58 AM

Finally got some head... http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10...9674e90bec.jpg

MSP611 10-10-2015 12:04 PM

mmmmm head lol:naughty:

littleloogy 10-30-2015 09:36 PM

Little teaser...progress is my middle name. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10...ed66c5aa02.jpg
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10...bb4081be4e.jpg

Dano 10-30-2015 10:03 PM

Needs own thread.

linky here.

littleloogy 10-30-2015 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dano (Post 2974815)
Needs own thread.



linky here.


Shhh, it's a secret that only the cool kids can know about. But between you and me, fits like a glove.

Dano 10-30-2015 10:19 PM

what size injector?

littleloogy 10-30-2015 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dano (Post 2974818)
what size injector?


It is unknown. 550bhp worth. What is the max our injectors will do?

Enki 10-30-2015 11:36 PM

550 times how many? And on what fuel?

I've found ancient threads that suggest ours are 1700 CC.


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