E85 Remedy with HPFP Hardware modifications

[Easter Bunny]

This really needs its own thread.

[Dano]

Nah that's crazy talk.

Tappin

[Enki]

New thread, old thread, all I know is my body is ready.


EDIT:
@Raider; please move the injector posts from the past few pages of this thread to the following:

Upgraded injectors (because aux fuel is for losers)

kthx xoxoxoxo

[littleloogy]

Whatever. You guys go off and do your own thing, I'll stay here.

[Enki]

Technically, this thread IS for hardware fixes for running full corn. I'd be happy to give you OP in the other thread, or if you make your own mine can be merged into yours.

[littleloogy]

Originally Posted by Enki Technically, this thread IS for hardware fixes for running full corn. I'd be happy to give you OP in the other thread, or if you make your own mine can be merged into yours.

No worries. You're better at keeping track of everything anyway.

[Enki]

Seriously, I just want the fucking injectors. Lol

[Mazdazilla6]

The real question I have is how are them IE internals holding up? Once I get a bigger turbo I def want to run full corn, plus all the kids on campus are doing it and I want to be cool just like them :bandwagon:

[littleloogy]

IE internals have not given me any problems. Running Stock fuel pressure with a CS turbo gives me a nice vdyno at 350/375.
Everyone loves corn, except for those who don't.

[Mazdazilla6]

Originally Posted by littleloogy IE internals have not given me any problems. Running Stock fuel pressure with a CS turbo gives me a nice vdyno at 350/375. Everyone loves corn, except for those who don't.

Still on the RP dexos oil? Have you tried any other dexos oils?

Do you think the deaths are related to ash content in the oil? One of the big trends I've seen is that dexos oils are mostly very low ash oils (plus low ash oils cause less build up on valves, which is always nice). I'm a big fan of Shell products so I'd love to keep running Pennzoil Ultra if I make the switch to IE.

[davychronic]

Originally Posted by littleloogy IE internals have not given me any problems. Running Stock fuel pressure with a CS turbo gives me a nice vdyno at 350/375. Everyone loves corn, except for those who don't.

How much boost can you get to on e85?

[littleloogy]

Originally Posted by davychronic How much boost can you get to on e85?

As much as your fuel system/Rods can handle. I ran 21 psi for many years with the K04 and stock MAP sensors. With my upgraded MAP sensor I now hit +\- 23psi peak tapering to 18 at redline. My advice... Do not hit anything over 400 ft/lbs of torque on a stock block.

Upgraded rods and Pistons with 6th port fueling... Sky is the limit.

[davychronic]

Originally Posted by littleloogy As much as your fuel system/Rods can handle. I ran 21 psi for many years with the K04 and stock MAP sensors. With my upgraded MAP sensor I now hit +\- 23psi peak tapering to 18 at redline. My advice... Do not hit anything over 400 ft/lbs of torque on a stock block. Upgraded rods and Pistons with 6th port fueling... Sky is the limit.

No i mean you specifically on the cs turbo. I run out of fuel at 20psi on e30, i was curious how far you are getting running full e85.

[littleloogy]

Oh Full E I hit 23 psi, and taper down to about 18psi @redline with 125 IDC. Anytime I go over 125 IDC I start to run lean.
Oh, and I target 12.1 AFR. Sometimes because of my shitty self tune and some cold mornings I will lean out close to 13.0 AFR redline.

[davychronic]

Ive been able to get away with 12 afr up til about 5k rpm then i have to taper it to 11.7ish but i havent pushed passed 107%. It gets cold as balls here. Ofcourse on e30.

Thanks for the info, wanted to make the switch but i guess oversized valves and some port work took me out on full e85.
I grow ethanol for a living and love that its so popular and you guys are working so hard to use more of it.

[littleloogy]

I don't know how much I can push these stock injectors, where is the limit?. Got up to 139 IDC this time. 17 hp gain from the last set of logs that i did.
Attachment 219219

[MSP611]

Originally Posted by davychronic Ive been able to get away with 12 afr up til about 5k rpm then i have to taper it to 11.7ish but i havent pushed passed 107%. It gets cold as balls here. Ofcourse on e30. Thanks for the info, wanted to make the switch but i guess oversized valves and some port work took me out on full e85. I grow ethanol for a living and love that its so popular and you guys are working so hard to use more of it.

Can u make ethanol urself? Is it an expensive and hard process? Jw for future endeavours.

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[Enki]

Originally Posted by littleloogy I don't know how much I can push these stock injectors, where is the limit?. Got up to 139 IDC this time. 17 hp gain from the last set of logs that i did. Attachment 219219

Personally I think it depends a lot on timing. I can get to 105 before it shits the bed. What timing you running? Any aux fuel?

Originally Posted by MSP611 Can u make ethanol urself? Is it an expensive and hard process? Jw for future endeavours. Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk

Not expensive or hard once you get past the setup, but here in the states you need a special permit for it.

[MSP611]

Hmmm now u have me thinkin.. Fuck permits lol

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[Enki]

There's more to it than that as well. You need an ATF permit to brew your own fuel, of which you are limited in quantity, and it has to be denatured, and the ATF has to have access to your brewery at all times. There's plans and fees and all kinds of bullshit you have to do to get it done, which takes forever and has some fees associated with it.

[littleloogy]

I'll post up the log when I get home @Enki;
I tried posting earlier but I screwed something up. Made 367whp though.


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[Enki]

Full corn?
Edit: Any mods to injector phasing?

[MSP611]

U don't think u could get away with a personal brew? I mean I will be living in the cuts as well.. Just a thought I had since I do have land and the space

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[littleloogy]

Originally Posted by Enki Full corn? Edit: Any mods to injector phasing?

No, phasing went back to 1.00. I am still on full Corn, yes.

Edit: I am only running 18 degrees of timing up top


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[Enki]

Trust me when I say you want no part of the ATF kicking in your door and finding a high capacity still setup.

Originally Posted by littleloogy No, phasing went back to 1.00. I am still on full Corn, yes. Edit: I am only running 18 degrees of timing up top Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I was running only 18 as well but couldn't get over 105. Weird.

[MSP611]

Originally Posted by Enki Trust me when I say you want no part of the ATF kicking in your door and finding a high capacity still setup. I was running only 18 as well but couldn't get over 105. Weird.

I'm sure ur right. I just looked up the process and it seems pretty easy but would take prob a few $$$ investment to have a legit setup. I wonder wat those permits cost. I don't like atf already cuz I load ammo and I don't want them coming check in all my shit. I wonder if this is even cost effective way of saving money if u made all ur vehicles run on e85.

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[Enki]

It can be, but your car needs to be set up to make it efficient. It is possible to get the same or better mileage vs gasoline, but again, you need to set the engine up for that and after it's done you won't be able to run pump gas any longer.

[littleloogy]

Injector duty cycle must be calculated, similar to calculated load.
MAF calibration could effect IDC


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[MSP611]

Originally Posted by Enki It can be, but your car needs to be set up to make it efficient. It is possible to get the same or better mileage vs gasoline, but again, you need to set the engine up for that and after it's done you won't be able to run pump gas any longer.

Hmm i need to do more research and how this would work exactly. Im Not to worried about fuel mileage if I can make it for stupid cheap. And why can't I have the cars cross compatible with e85?. Like our platform, its just a map switch and then letting the fuel trims settle/relearn. I am no expert on this subject by any means so school away if I'm way off.

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[Enki]

Just get it from the pump man. Trust me.

Originally Posted by littleloogy Injector duty cycle must be calculated, similar to calculated load. MAF calibration could effect IDC Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

You running meth at all or anything? How big an intake? What's your g/s at 4.0 volts and what voltage are you hitting?

[MSP611]

I will be getting it from the pump for the short for seeable future becuz I still live in Cali... It does suck tho cuz closest pump is like 45mims away... And only other ones are in the deep inner city of san Francisco and east bay. I will not be traveling far on it thts for sure.

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[littleloogy]

@Enki;
[ATTACH]12.29.15-2.csv[/ATTACH]

[Enki]

Oh, that's dynojet numbers, so you're hitting normal limits on full corn then.

[davychronic]

Originally Posted by MSP611 Hmm i need to do more research and how this would work exactly. Im Not to worried about fuel mileage if I can make it for stupid cheap. And why can't I have the cars cross compatible with e85?. Like our platform, its just a map switch and then letting the fuel trims settle/relearn. I am no expert on this subject by any means so school away if I'm way off. Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk

Problem is there is nothing cheap about farming corn. Making e isnt that complicated, we made it in my organic chem class last semester.

[Mauro_Penguin]

Would the IE fuel pump internals have anything to do with his high IDC capacity?

[speed_freak91]

The next @MSP611;

[MSP611]

Originally Posted by speed_freak91 The next @MSP611;

Thts wat I'm talkin about lol... Guess well see it can't be tht expensive to farm corn... For my uses I don't think ud need tht much. Can also buy corn instead of growin it. U can also use barley or wheat one of the 2 as well I was reading

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[Enki]

Jesus christ guys, if you're going to make hooch you don't do it from something as expensive as corn; you use the proper strong yeast with something akin to sugar water. It's the sugar source that will be the most expensive.

[davychronic]

Originally Posted by MSP611 Thts wat I'm talkin about lol... Guess well see it can't be tht expensive to farm corn... For my uses I don't think ud need tht much. Can also buy corn instead of growin it. U can also use barley or wheat one of the 2 as well I was reading Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk

You can use sugar cane and sugar beets as well like brazil but there is a reason we use corn to make e. You will not even get close to making e efficiently, it will be cheaper to buy it. Bu of you are still interested syngenta makes a gmo specifically for ethanol and the corn is purple.

[Yatta]

Growing enough corn to produce ethanol, without selling it or raising livestock will have someone looking at you; pot farmers grow in between rows to hide it, you will have the DEA and the ATF looking in your general direction. Before you add the denaturant, it might proved to be a tasty beverage as well