IE HPFP Internals For E85

[Amnesiac]

Etipp is the guy with the scoring, so he's probably familiar with it already. Unless I'm misreading davychronic is talking about his CS internals with the 150 miles, he hasn't installed the IE yet so he doesn't need to pull them.

[davychronic]

Yea im going on an 1800 mile round trip road trip in a couple weeks and I cant have issues so im waiting til i get back.

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[Enki]

Yeah I'm a bit burnt out from work so everything in my brain right now is applesauce. My bad on getting literally everything wrong.

[redneck4Christ]

Looking at the IE website (FAQ, Will this fit my car), it looks like some of the VWs have Belt Drive pumps.
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Would that separate the pump from the hot engine oil that causes the black death problems? Can this pump be retrofit to our cars?
(sorry if someone else thought of this and I missed that post.)

[Tokay444]

They would still need to lubricate their pump with...
...you guessed it, hot engine oil.

[littleloogy]

I have not updated this thread in a long time. Nothing has changed since day one. I have not touched the pump since installing the I.E. Internals. I have traveled 7,000 miles on 100% corn without issue and they are still doing great. I still get a nice constant fuel pressure thought out my entire 4 gear logs.

I am planning on getting some autotechs and making sure Black Death is still an issue as fuel design does change. I will install them in a separate pump and see what happens.


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[davychronic]

any way you could maybe possibly get me so dimensions on that extra seal they add when you get the pump out @littleloogy; ?

[littleloogy]

Originally Posted by davychronic any way you could maybe possibly get me so dimensions on that extra seal they add when you get the pump out @littleloogy; ?

No, I refuse to take the pump apart. I have a fear of ruining the seal.


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[davychronic]

Awww i want to attempt to reproduce said seal for anyone that doesnt want an overpriced pump when we only want the seal. I sent the one i ordered back, may have to order it again.

[MSP611]

"MAKE THE SAID SEAL!!" says the mazda gods

[littleloogy]

These internals are a full length 9.8mm. Unlike Autotechs, CS, and KMD the shaft on this kit does not taper to the factory Shaft size. So even if I was able to get the sizes for you, no one would benefit.

Furthermore, you would not be able to in bed any seals into our factory retaining nut because our retaining nuts are not designed that way. You would have to make a custom retaining nut and inert the seal you wish to make.


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[MSP611]

Originally Posted by littleloogy These internals are a full length 9.8mm. Unlike Autotechs, CS, and KMD the shaft on this kit does not taper to the factory Shaft size. So even if I was able to get the sizes for you, no one would benefit. Furthermore, you would not be able to in bed any seals into our factory retaining nut because our retaining nuts are not designed that way. You would have to make a custom retaining nut and inert the seal you wish to make. Sent from my iPhone 6

sounds like u got it all figured out!!! now take my money lol

[davychronic]

Originally Posted by littleloogy These internals are a full length 9.8mm. Unlike Autotechs, CS, and KMD the shaft on this kit does not taper to the factory Shaft size. So even if I was able to get the sizes for you, no one would benefit. Furthermore, you would not be able to in bed any seals into our factory retaining nut because our retaining nuts are not designed that way. You would have to make a custom retaining nut and inert the seal you wish to make. Sent from my iPhone 6

Its been awhile since ive had my pump apart, maybe its time to inspect it a little and see what i could get to work since my car is in pieces right now anyways. All we need is a seal like they have to keep oil and ethanol from mixing. I forgot about the retainer being different.

[littleloogy]

Originally Posted by davychronic Its been awhile since ive had my pump apart, maybe its time to inspect it a little and see what i could get to work since my car is in pieces right now anyways. All we need is a seal like they have to keep oil and ethanol from mixing. I forgot about the retainer being different.

Look at the 2.0t fuel pump. (Audi and VW use it) They come standard with a seal.


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[davychronic]

Originally Posted by littleloogy Look at the 2.0t fuel pump. (Audi and VW use it) They come standard with a seal. Sent from my iPhone 6

That makes me wonder after looking at it if we can buy the retainer nut from vw. I need moar time to do more research

So there is quite a bit of space inside the retaining nut between where the piston tapers and the top of the nut, possibly enough space that a seal could fit but im not sure how you could get the seal to stay stationary and stop oil from seeping up the piston. I need an engineer to design a new retaining nut that could hold the seal in place. Orrr if the vw retaining nut incorporates a factory seal then i wonder if the vw oem piston diameter is the same as ours and maybe a retrofit could work.

[littleloogy]

Please post hardware modifications here E85 Remedy with HPFP Hardware modifications

This thread is mainly for testing I.E. FP Internals.


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[PapaSmurf]

I am now just seeing this

Im tempted to buy a pump from them.

Random question for you @littleloogy; did you assemble the pump or did you buy the pump already assembled from them? I know you mentioned not wanting to take the pump apart.

[littleloogy]

Originally Posted by PapaSmurf I am now just seeing this Im tempted to buy a pump from them. Random question for you @littleloogy; did you assemble the pump or did you buy the pump already assembled from them? I know you mentioned not wanting to take the pump apart.

I rebuilt my pump with the internal kit. I broke the pump in on gas (1-tank) then made the switch to Full E85. I have not touched the pump since I installed these. Damn, I did not realize it's been like 8 months without having to do pump maintenance.

[MSP611]

Originally Posted by littleloogy I rebuilt my pump with the internal kit. I broke the pump in on gas (1-tank) then made the switch to Full E85. I have not touched the pump since I installed these. Damn, I did not realize it's been like 8 months without having to do pump maintenance.

@littleloogy;... did u coat the internals in SL-1 before install>?

[littleloogy]

Originally Posted by MSP611 @littleloogy... did u coat the internals in SL-1 before install>?

Nope, Si-1 was NOT used.

[MSP611]

damn i might need these then

[Cheapspeed]

Originally Posted by MSP611 damn i might need these then

Told you.

[PapaSmurf]

It was reported in my build thread that someone went through 2 sets of these because of failure... not sure of the details.

[littleloogy]

Originally Posted by PapaSmurf It was reported in my build thread that someone went through 2 sets of these because of failure... not sure of the details.

Could have been user installation error, could have been break-in error, or just plain bad luck. My experience was trouble free.

[PapaSmurf]

@Etipp98; care to elaborate on your IE Internal failures?

[Etipp98]

First set had "tolerance issues", they sent me a new set and would not hold pressure under load. I used redline in the pump,and also the included grease separately. Tried set in a totally different pump and had the same issues. There is also NO Break in procedure Required as they do that before they ship them out. I might try them again when i get the car back together but so far they have been a paperweight.

[MSP611]

Originally Posted by Cheapspeed Told you.

no i told u... i could of swore i thought someone had failed with these... just didnt remember who, now it makes sense.

[littleloogy]

The grease that was included is assembly lube. It is supposed to be used during pump assembly, not SI-1. No where in this thread did anyone mention using the additive. Did you follow the direction included in the kit? @Etipp98;?

[Etipp98]

Originally Posted by littleloogy The grease that was included is assembly lube. It is supposed to be used during pump assembly, not SI-1. No where in this thread did anyone mention using the additive. Did you follow the direction included in the kit? @Etipp98;?

As I stated, the grease WAS used on its own, but did not mention it was used first. When that did not work, I tried oil and redline as a second shot.

[TRQ STEER FTL]

Whats the update with the testing behind these? Getting real curious about 100% e. Currently running a 30% mix, switching off rotella next oil change.

[littleloogy]

Originally Posted by TRQ STEER FTL Whats the update with the testing behind these? Getting real curious about 100% e. Currently running a 30% mix, switching off rotella next oil change.

Still working. No issues. I'll be taking them apart when I hit 10,000 miles. Should be soon,


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[TRQ STEER FTL]

Originally Posted by littleloogy Still working. No issues. I'll be taking them apart when I hit 10,000 miles. Should be soon, Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

What are your intervals for oil changes? Can wait to see what it looks like. I have high hopes for this even with the other 2 pumps that failed.

[littleloogy]

Originally Posted by TRQ STEER FTL What are your intervals for oil changes? Can wait to see what it looks like. I have high hopes for this even with the other 2 pumps that failed.

I change my oil between three and five thousand mile intervals depending on how hard I drive my car. @Enki; I believe pushed his oci to 7,000 miles if I remember right.




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[Enki]

8k and Blackstone told me to extend. That would have put me at changing the oil once a year.

[MSP6]

I've been doing 7k ish on RP for the past few. I usually intend on changing it at 5k but..lazy.

[Enki]

Do a sample and see what Blackstone says. $25 is cheap for peace of mind.

[MS3Shadow]

Originally Posted by Enki Do a sample and see what Blackstone says. $25 is cheap for peace of mind.

It's actually $28 now. They recently had to increase it a couple of bucks.

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[Enki]

Still worth it.

[MD1032]

Originally Posted by Enki Still worth it.

Agree 100%... I even send in my gear oil to them. Invaluable information. Only thing I don't like about them honestly is lately the turnaround times have gotten pretty bad. Like it'll take between 3 and 4 weeks from when I send them a sample to when I get a result.

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[Enki]

Supply and demand; probably why the price has gone up.