IE HPFP Internals For E85

[Easter Bunny]

I stopped sending samples to Blackstone.

I changed the oil in my ms3 and cx-5 at the same time and stupidly didn't mark the samples immediately. Of course i lost track of which we which. So I sent them a letter with both samples telling them all of the info about both sample including that they were different cars and different oil weights just that I didn't know which was which


I got a response on both samples telling me they looked great for 0w-20.

I run 10w-30 in the speed.

Proceed as you wish.

Edit @phate; I know you use them too and wanted to make sure you see this.

[littleloogy]

Originally Posted by Easter Bunny I stopped sending samples to Blackstone. I changed the oil in my ms3 and cx-5 at the same time and stupidly didn't mark the samples immediately. Of course i lost track of which we which. So I sent them a letter with both samples telling them all of the info about both sample including that they were different cars and different oil weights just that I didn't know which was which I got a response on both samples telling me they looked great for 0w-20. I run 10w-30 in the speed. Proceed as you wish. Edit @phate; I know you use them too and wanted to make sure you see this.

I don't know, I put on my form 10-40 on accident. And the report came back stating that it tested more like 5w30. I'll post it
When I get home from work.


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[Mauro_Penguin]

Originally Posted by Easter Bunny I stopped sending samples to Blackstone. I changed the oil in my ms3 and cx-5 at the same time and stupidly didn't mark the samples immediately. Of course i lost track of which we which. So I sent them a letter with both samples telling them all of the info about both sample including that they were different cars and different oil weights just that I didn't know which was which I got a response on both samples telling me they looked great for 0w-20. I run 10w-30 in the speed. Proceed as you wish. Edit @phate; I know you use them too and wanted to make sure you see this.

I test sample my Pu and the Mustang for the Mrs. I've written a couple of questions or made notes of mods regarding both, and sometimes they provide feedback other times they dont. So I think it depends on the genius in charge of customer relations/keyboard duty that day.

[SamiChicago]

I have a good feeling that we're going to run 100% E-85 (safely) in our platforms really soon.

[Easter Bunny]

Originally Posted by Mauro_Penguin I test sample my Pu and the Mustang for the Mrs. I've written a couple of questions or made notes of mods regarding both, and sometimes they provide feedback other times they dont. So I think it depends on the genius in charge of customer relations/keyboard duty that day.

My concern was more that the person testing had 10w-30 and said it looked great for 0w-20. If they misunderstood my letter I would have expected a response along the lines of what the hell is going on.

[MSP6]

Originally Posted by SamiChicago I have a good feeling that we're going to run 100% E-85 (safely) in our platforms really soon.

Been doing it for over a year now...

[SamiChicago]

Originally Posted by MSP6 Been doing it for over a year now...

Well that's good to know!

[Enki]

Same. Nothing new here.

Originally Posted by SamiChicago Well that's good to know!

Lol you'd know if you read this and the other threads.

[SamiChicago]

Originally Posted by Enki Same. Nothing new here. Lol you'd know if you read this and the other threads.

Yeah no kidding. :/

[littleloogy]

@Enki; can you or someone please post up a picture of your cam follower?


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Preferably inside the bucket? From the fuel pump.


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[Easter Bunny]

Uh oh.

[littleloogy]

Originally Posted by Easter Bunny Uh oh.

Yeah... You can say that again.


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[Mazdazilla6]

Noticing excessive wear?

[ItsNox]

Sombitch I hope your cam is okay. It's a known issue for the Audi 2.0t. I saw some guys total their A4 on Audizine because a new cam and labor exceeded the value of the car. Of course our parts and labor are substantially less. They have to change their follower every 30k give or take.

I believe our HPFP internals are interchangeable, no? I think they finally got a reinforced cam follower.

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[Enki]

Pretty easy request considering my follower is in a little plastic baggie on the shelf.

If the face pictures are too shitty to tell, I'll go out and take more. Kind of difficult because the camera won't focus on the mirror like finish it has.

[littleloogy]

Fuuuuucccckkk


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[Enki]

Originally Posted by littleloogy Fuuuuucccckkk

Alright lets see it, your internals and spring.

[littleloogy]

Just shy of 10,000 miles.


No death on the internals.


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[Enki]

And the follower?

[littleloogy]

Just kidding.




But there was no death on the moving parts of the pump.


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Yeah, the follower... It's fucked.



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[Enki]

Why'd you ask about the follower then?

Edit:
Is that...recessed in the middle?

[littleloogy]

Yup. Almost 1/16 of an inch.


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[Mazdazilla6]

Curious as to why shit built up on everything other than the moving parts. Was the extra seal keeping it clean?

[littleloogy]

In the original post it states that the internals have a nitride coating, death can't stick to it.


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[Enki]

Holy shit...Probably has a lot to do with the extra mass of that piston...I was spinning my autotechs up to 7500 RPM (which is 187.5 cycles per second) and mine looks like the day I got it.

I'd mention that to IE.

[littleloogy]

I ended up reassembling the internals without cleaning. I will be falling off the E85 wagon for a few tanks to see if the pump will clean itself with petrol. I will order a cam follower and take the pump apart again in a few weeks. Besides, I need to do a proper MAF cal since I put on a FMIC and a catless downpipe.

After I find out of the pump will clean it's self, I will send a report back to IE and see what they say. IE claimed that their internals would not damage cam followers.


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[Easter Bunny]

How well did you lube that area when you assembled it? Is there any roughness on that end of the piston?
@Enki;s looks like it has a similar wear pattern is there a noticeable lip on your follower @Enki?

[Enki]

Loog's wear is on the inside of the follower not on the face. It's crushed where the follower meets the piston, not on the cam face. My follower is flat.

[Mazdazilla6]

But as a result of the center being pushed in did it cause the other side to balloon out? Kind of hard to tell from the picture.

[Easter Bunny]

Face looks flat to me like it was excessive wear on the inside, thats why I was asking about the assembly.

[Enki]

Honestly the follower should be full of oil within seconds of starting. The oil doesn't drain out of the follower area, at any rate.

[littleloogy]

@Easter Bunny; the cam follower is always inserted into the hole and turned with my finger to coat with oil. The piston was not damaged in any way, no burrs or markings.
@Mazdazilla6; the face is not deformed in any way. It looks like it just mushroomed inside the bowl.


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[Mazdazilla6]

@littleloogy; I imagine you've already contacted IE or are planning on it, but this is definitely something that should be brought to their attention.

So going a step back here, has anyone tested full e on the stock pump? I know it's playing with fire but I'd really like to see if the stock pump can actually resist the deaths.

I'm thinking about getting my autotechs nitrided in the spring. It's a fairly easy process and on something small like these it is pretty cheap. It seems like the IE internals are a proper solution but if we are going to experience follower issues from them then I'd rather try to get my autotechs nitrided instead. If we can figure out if the follower issues is related to these internals or if it's isolated then I might just make the just to IE internals.

[Enki]

I went to E29 on stock pump, with timing being added, airflow went up and I wound up making the same power around 12 PSI. This was years ago, so I could be mistaken, though I am positive boost was below stock levels when all was said and done.

Also, Autotechs already have a DLC type coating which may not be compatible with nitriding. With how the Redline fix is working out, I don't see this as a requirement, really.

Unless, of course, cleaning the pump once a year as preventative maintenance is too much for you.

[g00s3y]

Originally Posted by Enki I went to E29 on stock pump, with timing being added, airflow went up and I wound up making the same power around 12 PSI. This was years ago, so I could be mistaken, though I am positive boost was below stock levels when all was said and done. Also, Autotechs already have a DLC type coating which may not be compatible with nitriding. With how the Redline fix is working out, I don't see this as a requirement, really. Unless, of course, cleaning the pump once a year as preventative maintenance is too much for you.

You would be amazed at how lazy some people are. A friend I tune has seen some HPFP pressure dropping at peak loads to 1506 at the lowest, for about 4-500 rpm, and then it will be fine. I told him to come over and lets clean the pump, running an e mix all this time with rotella (I don't know why he is still using that), and there is probably some sticky there that needs to be cleaned. So he was supposed to come over, and we take it all apart and clean it thoroughly.

That was a month ago, still hasn't cleaned shit. I could understand if cleaning the pump was an all day job. But it's a hour or 2 job at most.

[Polish_Eagle]

When you're cleaning the pump do you guys fully unbolt the pump or just remove the spill valve and clean that?

[Mazdazilla6]

Originally Posted by Enki Also, Autotechs already have a DLC type coating which may not be compatible with nitriding. With how the Redline fix is working out, I don't see this as a requirement, really. Unless, of course, cleaning the pump once a year as preventative maintenance is too much for you.

I'll have to look into the process for the DLC coating. If it's just a hardening process then it should be able to be nitrided.

I have thought about using S1 but I thought the pump had to be cleaned more often than that.

[Enki]

It's been over a year with one minor hiccup of the pump threatening to fail, so I pulled the spill valve and flushed with Redline and not a peep in the months since. Kind of interested to see what it looks like inside the pump but not too worried about it right now.

[littleloogy]

It's not really a coating as it is a molecular change to the outer layer of the metal. So I doubt you can mix the two processes, but that is out of my element, no pun intended.


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[littleloogy]

Originally Posted by Mazdazilla6 @littleloogy; I imagine you've already contacted IE or are planning on it, but this is definitely something that should be brought to their attention. So going a step back here, has anyone tested full e on the stock pump? I know it's playing with fire but I'd really like to see if the stock pump can actually resist the deaths.

Someone want to send me a complete stock pump, I'll be happy to try. My pumps have been all parted/NATORed out. I'll send it back after testing is completed? Unless one of you find a cheap pump for me to purchase.


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