The AP V3.0

[SparkySparks]

Per the info on the link

"Instructions:
Purchase a new upgrade eligible V3 Accessport for your application here: click here for products.
Once your new product arrives, follow the included instructions to Uninstall (un-marry) your current Accessport from your vehicle.
Please make sure to back up all of your maps with Accessport Manager.
Pack all V2 components in your V3 box or similar sized package.
Use the return shipping label included with your V3 to send the V2 back to us.
Once received, COBB will verify your Accessport has been correctly uninstalled and will process your refund for half the V3 purchase amount (minus tax and shipping). If you have any questions about this process, please email support@cobbtuning.com or call 866-922-3059

Please allow 1-2 weeks for processing.

For a very limited time, we will still be offering the trade-in program for the Version 1 Accessport: $200 towards a new V2 or $100 towards a new V3. Please email or call for details.

* Trade in program applies to same makes only. Example: Subaru for Subaru."

[LumberJack]

Originally Posted by Lex If that's the case it's going to upset a lot of their vendors.

I absolutely agree lex, cust like myself get charged 60 in tax because there is a cobb socal so my pre refund total with shipping is 720 bucks. When I can order through edge with our msf discount snd only pay 635 shipped, but then I have to deal with selling it on my own. Won't be hard but the ease of trade in is nice.

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[SleeperHatch]

Originally Posted by LumberJack Yes it must be unmarried they will verify it functions and that it is in fact unmarried before issuing the rerund credit. Remember you don't send the old one back tell you've received the new one so there should be no issues for anyone who logs and monitors daily, you'll have your functioning v2 until the v3 arrives. Sent from my SPH-L900 using Tapatalk 2

Ohhh ok. Thanks for clarifying. So spend the $650 then get the $325 refund a few days later?

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[Ayaritz]

My question is what is going to happen to the support on the V2.
Will it eventually be phased out and not get updates?

[PapaSmurf]

Originally Posted by SleeperHatch Ohhh ok. Thanks for clarifying. So spend the $650 then get the $325 refund a few days later? Sent from my HTCONE using Tapatalk 2

read the website man, it specifically states once they get your old v2 AP it will take 1-2 weeks to get your refund.

Originally Posted by Ayaritz My question is what is going to happen to the support on the V2. Will it eventually be phased out and not get updates?

ATR will remain the same, along with AP manager. So all those updates you will still get.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by LumberJack I absolutely agree lex, cust like myself get charged 60 in tax because there is a cobb socal so my pre refund total with shipping is 720 bucks. When I can order through edge with our msf discount snd only pay 635 shipped, but then I have to deal with selling it on my own. Won't be hard but the ease of trade in is nice. Sent from my SPH-L900 using Tapatalk 2

This frees up new customers that will buy new APs instead of used ones (if they are ok with $650) so I see the point but let's hope there are still enough new people to the AP.

[ilias]

trade in your Version 2 Accessport for up to 50% off a brand new Accessport V3
COBB Tuning - Mazda Accessport V3

[Yatta]

Originally Posted by Evan@COBB As with any product, the used-market value will change when a newer iteration is released.

That is one way of looking at it, but essentially anyone selling their AP for more than 325 net will see benefit from not trading in and each one sold used is a potential customer that you missed this time around, will your price point for the v2 (if you continue to sell it) be below 325 net?

A buyback doesn't just benefit the end consumer, as you've pointed out it will drive supply and demand, reducing the size of the used market is something that ultimately helps your bottom line.

Either way, looks great and I am glad that the buyback isn't more compelling, you've saved me the choice in the short term.

Thanks for supporting the platform!

[weakdog85]

great, now i have to decide on new AP, or internals.

[jk_ms3]

Originally Posted by weakdog85 great, now i have to decide on new AP, or internals.

Internals! The answer is always internals. Then get the new AP...

and send it to me as a thank you for my sage advice.

[VulgarKyle]

Originally Posted by weakdog85 great, now i have to decide on new AP, or internals.

No brainer

tapatalk isn't texting so tapatalk isn't illegal

[Keko]

Trade in cost is a little more than I expected, I don't think I will do it. From my understanding the price of the AP is mainly R&D on the software, so essentially paying $325+ for new hardware is a bit much for my taste. If it was a bit cheaper I bet there would be much more people taking advantage of the offer, which is a shame.

[Deldran]

Originally Posted by Keko Trade in cost is a little more than I expected, I don't think I will do it. From my understanding the price of the AP is mainly R&D on the software, so essentially paying $325+ for new hardware is a bit much for my taste. If it was a bit cheaper I bet there would be much more people taking advantage of the offer, which is a shame.

Agreed I still want it but at this point looks like it might be more profitable to buy from a vendor and sell my old ap

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[LilGator]

Yup, shame. Used value of the V2 will drop, but nowhere near $325. Everyone is better off buying V2s used here- I seriously doubt Cobb is going to drop their $600 V2s below $450.

Whatever Cobb sets their new V2 price at- there's your adjustment to the used market. And since we know this number is greater than $325, you can bet most folks will sell rather than trade in. And most will prefer to buy used than Cobb's new price.

They didn't think this through well enough.

[PapaSmurf]

Originally Posted by LilGator Yup, shame. Used value of the V2 will drop, but nowhere near $325. Everyone is better off buying V2s used here- I seriously doubt Cobb is going to drop their $600 V2s below $450. Whatever Cobb sets their new V2 price at- there's your adjustment to the used market. And since we know this number is greater than $325, you can bet most folks will sell rather than trade in. And most will prefer to buy used than Cobb's new price. They didn't think this through well enough.

I am about 99% positive the new V2 price is $550 ish dollars.

so v2 used prices will not drop that much at all.

It is going to be a better deal to buy a V3 from a vendor, since they usually sell them below MSRP if you PM them and ask.

Than sell your V2 on here for $400-$450 or whatever the price drops too, it wont be less than $400 imo.

[LilGator]

Exactly- new V2 pricing affects the used market adjustment, not V3 pricing, the existence of a V3 or V2 trade-in value. Cobb didn't crunch their numbers if they were actually attempting to take a bite out of the used market. Fail.

[m4tic]

my ap is kind of beat up, i dont think i'll get 400. i suppose people with a haggard ap will benefit a little by trading in.

[Tyhackman15]

Originally Posted by m4tic my ap is kind of beat up, i dont think i'll get 400. i suppose people with a haggard ap will benefit a little by trading in.

Even if you can only get $325 for it you're better off going to a vendor and not paying $650 for a v3

[evil MS3]

Something tells me that vendors can't sell it for less than $650 for the time being.

A little tapa tapa taparoo...

[himurax13]

Originally Posted by LilGator Exactly- new V2 pricing affects the used market adjustment, not V3 pricing, the existence of a V3 or V2 trade-in value. Cobb didn't crunch their numbers if they were actually attempting to take a bite out of the used market. Fail.

Well if they were smart, they should offer a trade in price for the first few months that would be hard to turn down. This will allow them to get rid of a good portion of the older AP versions so that future buyers will be forced to buy the new ones. Its not like the Version 3 has a high unit cost.

[m4tic]

and my ap is the dongle version; those still move?

[LumberJack]

Fuck me. Fuck there website. Placed my pre order, some sort of server gateway issue says order couldn't be placed but full charge off 700+ pending on my bank account. Now I get to deal with my bank and cobb, but of course they're closed already FML

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[Nliiitend1]

Originally Posted by m4tic and my ap is the dongle version; those still move?

Yeah, has anyone gotten confirmation that this trade-in program is available to both V2b owners and those of us with the old V2a??

[Evan@COBB]

Yes,it applies to any and all v2 owners.



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[Koke382]

I didn't pay even close to full price for my ap and I got it from cobb brand new. Vendors cant compete with the orice I got hahahah.

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[MizzyMS3]

Originally Posted by Evan@COBB Yes,it applies to any and all v2 owners. Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 2

Sold! Settlement Friday and if I have 325 left in my account I will be picking one up!

[cld12pk2go]

Looks nice.

I will wait a while to see how things shake out...

[David_MS6]

Originally Posted by m4tic my ap is kind of beat up, i dont think i'll get 400. i suppose people with a haggard ap will benefit a little by trading in.

So long as it works properly I don't see why you couldn't get $400. People buy it for its functionality (mostly).


Tapa-what?

[LumberJack]

Originally Posted by MizzyMS3 Sold! Settlement Friday and if I have 325 left in my account I will be picking one up!

You realize you pay the full cost up front right? Depending on if you get charged sales tax its 700 you'll be needing on friday. They don't take off the 325 at time of purchase. They refund that 1 to 2 weeks after they've received your old v2 ap

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[slixx]

Originally Posted by Evan@COBB Yes,it applies to any and all v2 owners.

@Evan@COBB

Can you please elaborate more on ppl that have a v2 and have custom locked maps via a pro-tuner

How are these maps transferred to the new v3


Peter "SLIXX"

[crtguns]

Originally Posted by Deldran Meh personally i think that is a terrible idea. I work in networking and wireless is not stable enough for me to want it to be writing data to my ECU, one bit gets mixed up or whatnot bricked ecu. There are ways you could make there that doesnt happen but i would imagine it would be slower reflashing than just plugging in and doing it that way. I like cables lol

How bout IR instead of RF?

[Enki]

Originally Posted by crtguns How bout IR instead of RF?

Brb getting remote control for tv to mute your flash.

[Deldran]

Originally Posted by crtguns How bout IR instead of RF?

No wireless communication is to easy to mess with. I got an experiment for you. Go put a microwave next to your wireless router like right next to it. Turn it on I bet your wireless connects drop or at least get very slow. Have a bunch of your buddies like 15 to 20 over all hooked onto your WiFi see what happens.

Wireless interfears on its self when u get to enterprise level wireless you wouldn't believe the hoops some jump through to try and keeep it from doing that. Wireless is not a good choice no matter what form to flash an ecu

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[Yatta]

Wireless devices are flashed, wirelessly, all the time, it's a matter of planning for and dealing with signal loss, corruption of data and interruption of service; most hardware with critical 'firmware' maintains two copies of the image and checksums are used to verify from sender and receiver; to implement this in a car/ECU scenario you would need a dongle/receiver with enough storage to hold the image, enough intelligence to do consistency checks on what was sent and once received enough to commit it, the risky part here is the actual flash, doing it wirelessly would likely be SAFER as you would have less chance at inadvertently disconnecting the flimsily connected (at least in the case of the v2 that I have) AP.

And to be clear I have never been disappointed with what the AP does, nor what I paid for it (we are paying for a software license, though they don't make that very clear other than locking the interface to your car). To a new user the v3 is a great deal better then it is to a person using a v2 that has already found a way around the mostly useless single function monitor and very awkward to mount device; I spent 50 dollars on a smartphone app called dash command and $100 on a OBDII dongle that connects wirelessly to that app and I can monitor/log everything I want with arguably a better interface.





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[Deldran]

Originally Posted by Yatta Wireless devices are flashed, wirelessly, all the time, it's a matter of planning for and dealing with signal loss, corruption of data and interruption of service; most hardware with critical 'firmware' maintains two copies of the image and checksums are used to verify from sender and receiver; to implement this in a car/ECU scenario you would need a dongle/receiver with enough storage to hold the image, enough intelligence to do consistency checks on what was sent and once received enough to commit it, the risky part here is the actual flash, doing it wirelessly would likely be SAFER as you would have less chance at inadvertently disconnecting the flimsily connected (at least in the case of the v2 that I have) AP. And to be clear I have never been disappointed with what the AP does, nor what I paid for it (we are paying for a software license, though they don't make that very clear other than locking the interface to your car). To a new user the v3 is a great deal better then it is to a person using a v2 that has already found a way around the mostly useless single function monitor and very awkward to mount device; I spent 50 dollars on a smartphone app called dash command and $100 on a OBDII dongle that connects wirelessly to that app and I can monitor/log everything I want with arguably a better interface. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

I'm not saying it can't be done wirelessly i just seen no added benefit to it when it can be done much cheaper with a simple cable.

As far as wireless monitoring that is all well and good. But to make sure flashing data is sent properly wireless the added cost wouldn't be worth it. And I am sure if that function was ever setup it would cost more to buy that ap

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[Lex]

Posted a youtube video on how to set the logged parameters on the V3.0. We get asked this a fair amount.

How to set logged parameter list using COBB AP V3 - YouTube

How to set logged parameter list using COBB AP V3 - YouTube

[slixx]

Hey guys

I've searched around and cannot see anything on this subject

Wanting to know when logging with the V3 what Hz is running down the bottom.

I have a GenII and mine was running 17-20Hz which produces intervals on average 0.045s

Mate of mine is running a GenI and his V3 is running at 7-9Hz and he is only getting intervals of 0.112. Which is similar to a V2

I have read that GenI ECU is slightly slower, but his intervals are really much slower

He contacted Cobb and they express posted a replacement for him ASAP, but on loading the new one, still having the same issue

Anyone have any idea about the Hz and how it is measured and what might be the problem?

[Enki]

He's probably logging more PIDs than you.

[slixx]

Originally Posted by Enki He's probably logging more PIDs than you.

Do you mean the amount of parameters?
We are logging the same

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[Lex]

Originally Posted by slixx Hey guys I've searched around and cannot see anything on this subject Wanting to know when logging with the V3 what Hz is running down the bottom. I have a GenII and mine was running 17-20Hz which produces intervals on average 0.045s Mate of mine is running a GenI and his V3 is running at 7-9Hz and he is only getting intervals of 0.112. Which is similar to a V2 I have read that GenI ECU is slightly slower, but his intervals are really much slower He contacted Cobb and they express posted a replacement for him ASAP, but on loading the new one, still having the same issue Anyone have any idea about the Hz and how it is measured and what might be the problem?

I am not sure how they exactly measure logging rate but Hz are a frequency unit. 1 Hz = 1 sample or period per second.

A quick way to convert a period into frequency is 1 / period = frequency.

So if you take the length of time between samples and perform a 1 / length of time it should return the logging frequency.

The logging rate on gen1 cars is indeed quite a bit slower than on gen2. In my particular logs with the V3 on my gen1, I see a calculated logging rate average of 8.3Hz using the method described above. The max was 9.6Hz and min was 7.2Hz in the same log.