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TWOptSL0W 07-24-2011 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lex (Post 949737)
Alright guys and gals - the packaging and enclosure is being finalized which was the toughest part. However, as part of the testing we uncovered that the failsafe (at least as it is now) does not work with reversed or pull type valves. The most common example is the HKS SSQV.

Most BPVs including all OEM ones only require the pressure in the intake manifold to drop (throttle close) for them to release. However the SSQV is further sealed by the boost in the charge pipes. So the turbo itself must slow down as well as the throttle close.

Since the solution we're working on essentially mimics a throttle close, if the failsafe is triggered and the user does not let off, the boost in the charge pipes is enough to close the SSQV back up.

In short, boost is not limited if you keep your foot into it once the failsafe is triggered when using reversed valves such as the HKS and Synapse.

For how many people would this be a deal breaker? In other words, how many people out there that have shown interest are using the HKS valve and plan on sticking with it?

so basically all it is for the hks is a red light that goes on when we hit certain boost?

dougefresh_ 07-24-2011 09:51 PM

First of all, excellent work! Someone told me about this a couple weeks ago, but I'm just now stumbling upon the thread.... better late than never.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lex (Post 949737)
For how many people would this be a deal breaker? In other words, how many people out there that have shown interest are using the HKS valve and plan on sticking with it?

CPE fmic/HK$ here as well. However, very interested in how well this works in high boost BT app.... I'd like to run 25psi, and have it set to purge at 27psi... can it get rid of that much air fast enough? I need to upgrade my CPE fmic to a custom TR8 2/ 2.5" pipes, so I would definitely consider changing bpvs (and sell the HK$ w/ the cpe kit) so I could run this device. I'm way too lazy to change the flange/bpv in the meantime, and I'm just running spring +ewg, so I'm not really at a huge risk atm. However, even tho I replaced all my vac line going BT and have nice high temp vac line going to my ewg, that line still makes me nervous, lol. I check it periodically for cracks/etc.... you never know wtf can happen and have it crack/melt/etc and you're fucked. Great invention! I would definitely try to patent it.

Any way to to have use two settings to replace the w/m BCS failsafe some of us run? Like the normal set up to purge at 27psi, but if it gets a 12v signal from my w/m fs, have it only hold like 15psi? Is that what you were talking about with the w/m integration? That would be sweeet!

Dano 07-25-2011 07:30 AM

running the Super Mario Bros aka "forge" valve so I should be good to go.

rfinkle2 07-25-2011 07:38 AM

Lex, the Synapse DV can be run in either push or pull mode.

That being said, I've had my eye on the XLE anyway. LOL

Lex 07-25-2011 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TWOptSL0W (Post 952152)
so basically all it is for the hks is a red light that goes on when we hit certain boost?

Yes, for the HKS valves I would not consider this a solution at the moment. As I mentioned, the HKS type valve requires two elements:

- A drop in pressure on the vacuum signal line
- An actual drop in boost in the charge pipes which means the drive has to ACTUALLY be off the throttle.

This is the reason the HKS type valves sometimes result in more compressor surge.

There is a slight "blip" in boost when the device triggers but if you keep the foot into it and continue generating boost, the HKS will seal back up.

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Originally Posted by dougefresh_ (Post 952202)
First of all, excellent work! Someone told me about this a couple weeks ago, but I'm just now stumbling upon the thread.... better late than never.


CPE fmic/HK$ here as well. However, very interested in how well this works in high boost BT app.... I'd like to run 25psi, and have it set to purge at 27psi... can it get rid of that much air fast enough? I need to upgrade my CPE fmic to a custom TR8 2/ 2.5" pipes, so I would definitely consider changing bpvs (and sell the HK$ w/ the cpe kit) so I could run this device. I'm way too lazy to change the flange/bpv in the meantime, and I'm just running spring +ewg, so I'm not really at a huge risk atm. However, even tho I replaced all my vac line going BT and have nice high temp vac line going to my ewg, that line still makes me nervous, lol. I check it periodically for cracks/etc.... you never know wtf can happen and have it crack/melt/etc and you're fucked. Great invention! I would definitely try to patent it.

Any way to to have use two settings to replace the w/m BCS failsafe some of us run? Like the normal set up to purge at 27psi, but if it gets a 12v signal from my w/m fs, have it only hold like 15psi? Is that what you were talking about with the w/m integration? That would be sweeet!

Thaks Doug! A couple of clarifications. The amount of boost that your system will hold with the device triggered depends on your setup. If the BPV is a push type, it will be significantly less than what you set your setpoint to. On a stock turbo and BPV, it can't make more than ~10-12psi. You will feel a loss in power, see a red LED, and if the valve is recirculated so that you don't lose metered air, the car will continue driving normally without a fuel cut like feeling so it will be safe if you're in the middle of a merging maneuver.

The device can also be triggered via a 5V or 12V signal from any other source such as a WMI or any other controller with that type of output. If it's triggered, once again boost drops, you get the LED, and you know something is off right away.

The system will reset once you're out of boost, so you don't have to pull over or stop driving to be able to drive into boost again normally. You just get off the the throttle.

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Originally Posted by rfinkle2 (Post 952536)
Lex, the Synapse DV can be run in either push or pull mode.

That being said, I've had my eye on the XLE anyway. LOL

I wasn't aware of this - I should do a little more reading on this. Once some of the beta testers get their hands on this and do some testing with different setups and valves, I'll be able to share more about specific valves and their performance.

rfinkle2 07-25-2011 09:03 AM

@Lex,

The mounting flange and discharge tube can be installed on either side of the synapse diverter valve, and dictates which "mode" the valve is in.

Testers could simply flip sides that their flange is on to test.

rfinkle2 09-09-2011 09:09 AM

Updates please @Lex when you have a moment.

Lex 09-09-2011 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by rfinkle2 (Post 1035062)
Updates please @Lex when you have a moment.

Wish I had more moments and time. All I can say is that software is done, electronics are 70% done, enclosure is done, graphics and finishing touches are 25% done :)

Hang in there, it's coming ... esp since I think other things are going to wind down as we head towards the fall.

Dano 09-09-2011 09:35 AM

great news lex, glad to hear things are moving along. I can see this device selling like hotcakes in all boosted platforms.

I'd expect you'll be retiring soon :)

Lex 09-09-2011 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dano (Post 1035098)
great news lex, glad to hear things are moving along. I can see this device selling like hotcakes in all boosted platforms.

I'd expect you'll be retiring soon :)

Haha ... nah man, this car thing is just too much fun! It's all about getting more cool products out there for enthusiasts - just have to work on faster turn around times!

Dano 09-09-2011 09:43 AM

roger that...

btw your cat has been doing pushups for like 5 months straight...one strong cat.

Lex 09-09-2011 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Dano (Post 1035114)
roger that...

btw your cat has been doing pushups for like 5 months straight...one strong cat.

I dunno man, agent Smith is getting pretty wet as well. Chinese water torture style :)

Ferg 09-09-2011 10:05 AM

subbed for price. definitely interested.

looking forward to seeing finished product.

Dano 09-09-2011 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lex (Post 1035141)
I dunno man, agent Smith is getting pretty wet as well. Chinese water torture style :)

good thing he is just a program or he would look like a prune by now...

bcmurphy87 09-09-2011 12:58 PM

wow this sounds great! great work

SleeperHatch 09-09-2011 01:23 PM

Product sounds amazing I'll definitely be down for one. Will it change the sound at all?

Lex 09-09-2011 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperSpeed3 (Post 1035485)
Product sounds amazing I'll definitely be down for one. Will it change the sound at all?

Nope, the BPV sound will be unchanged unless the unit is tripped and then you will hear a whooosh as it releases pressure.

eppopipe 09-09-2011 05:17 PM

Im ready for one of these pending price :)

XRJoe 09-12-2011 10:37 AM

Very cool product. On my XR I'm using the boost-cut built into the MegaSquirt and violent is an understatement.

TWOptSL0W 09-12-2011 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XRJoe (Post 1039016)
Very cool product. On my XR I'm using the boost-cut built into the MegaSquirt and violent is an understatement.

megasquirt o rly? i used that back on my neon a few years ago. very hard to work with if youre building your maps from scratch. big ups to you good sir

boostedms3 09-12-2011 09:07 PM

does it work with synapse bov???

Lex 09-12-2011 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TWOptSL0W (Post 1039947)
megasquirt o rly? i used that back on my neon a few years ago. very hard to work with if youre building your maps from scratch. big ups to you good sir

I know a thing or 2 about Megasquirt systems ... this is how I got my business started ... http://www.stratifiedauto.com/index....index&cPath=66

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Originally Posted by boostedms3 (Post 1040133)
does it work with synapse bov???

It depends on how the valve is setup. The synapse can be setup in both push and pull type, so yes it would work with it.

event 09-12-2011 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lex (Post 1040184)
I know a thing or 2 about Megasquirt systems ... this is how I got my business started ... Plug and Play Megasquirt : Stratified Automotive Controls



It depends on how the valve is setup. The synapse can be setup in both push and pull type, so yes it would work with it.

Cool, I'll try to remember you when I'm shopping for a tuning solution for my 1.6L miata!

f-castrillo 09-13-2011 02:01 AM

How's the development process looking? Are we getting close to a release date announcement? ;)

Lex 09-13-2011 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by f-castrillo (Post 1040386)
How's the development process looking? Are we getting close to a release date announcement? ;)

Doing all I can, but I won't promise something I can't keep ... so a bit more patience is all I ask for.

EL F00LI0 09-13-2011 09:19 AM

Subbed, I'll definitely be getting one!

XRJoe 09-13-2011 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TWOptSL0W (Post 1039947)
megasquirt o rly? i used that back on my neon a few years ago. very hard to work with if youre building your maps from scratch. big ups to you good sir

Thanks! Definitely takes some work, but it's very fun once you get the car running and driving.

Still needs work, but this was last year on a pretty stockish setup in the car (slightly bigger turbo, FMIC and the MS1).

http://uconncarclub.com/Joe/XR/Dyno/FinalPull.jpg


I won't de-rail Lex's thread anymore, but nice MS products there too. The guy that helped me get up and running has a boosted Miata and has helped tune a few PNP setups.

eppopipe 12-09-2011 11:44 PM

Sooo...Any update?

Lex 12-10-2011 01:02 AM

You bet. The initial batch of 10 is almost complete. I hope to have these done and in my hand before the new year.

eppopipe 01-04-2012 11:22 PM

New years here.
Whats up?

Novej 01-05-2012 01:39 AM

Lex I predict this is gonna make you A LOT of money!!!! (And we don't even know how much it costs yet) LOL Thanks is definately an understatement

Lex 01-05-2012 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eppopipe (Post 1194305)
New years here.
Whats up?

Some sw/hw implementation issues have come up that I am dealing with. That and you guys are keeping me busy with tunes :).

I'd much rather have a product with no issues out there than something half baked. That's taking a little more time but the diligence here will pay off when you guys get something that works.

EL F00LI0 01-05-2012 10:08 AM

Do you have a rough estimate on price? I'd like to get one for my bt build.

Tapatalka

Lex 01-05-2012 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EL F00LI0 (Post 1194831)
Do you have a rough estimate on price? I'd like to get one for my bt build.

Tapatalka

I'm going to be very rough here and say more than $100 and less than $200. These first pieces are literally going to be at cost since building in small quantities is mucho $$$.

EL F00LI0 01-05-2012 01:48 PM

Sounds good, ill be keeping an eye on this thread for updates on the release of the product:)

Tapatalka

dereeek 01-05-2012 02:16 PM

interesting, i'd get one.

Lex 01-29-2012 08:20 PM

What have we here ....

https://www.stratifiedauto.com/image...ilsafe%201.jpg

https://www.stratifiedauto.com/image...ilsafe%202.jpg

Haltech 01-29-2012 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Lex (Post 1233657)

Nice work Lex.. but wheres the blue LEDs? lol, kidding.

Lex 01-29-2012 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Haltech (Post 1233669)
Nice work Lex.. but wheres the blue LEDs? lol, kidding.

Thanks Kevin, decided to go with the more classic red instead but I am open to suggestions :)

Dmurray06 01-29-2012 08:40 PM

Wow....impressive Lex....your are really changing the Mazdaspeed community. I am sure you will be a millionaire soon enough.:newangel:

EL F00LI0 01-29-2012 09:53 PM

Looks fuckin sweet. Do want!

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Dano 01-30-2012 08:54 AM

Awesome news Lex....so does a pic mean it's officially released?

Ferg 01-30-2012 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dano (Post 1234135)
Awesome news Lex....so does a pic mean it's officially released?

THIS

Lex 01-30-2012 10:31 AM

Here's the plan: I have 9 initial build units that are almost ready to go out. These 9 are fully functional but at a discount from the actual pricing.

This is because I expect the people who buy these 9 to put them through the paces and give me feedback. If any changes are needed I will make them and then gauge interest to know how many units to have built in the next batch for a regular production run.

Dano 01-30-2012 12:00 PM

roger that

Novej 01-30-2012 12:18 PM

@Lex so where do I send my money and how much!!! I haz monies ready!!!! :)

SofaKingAwesome 01-30-2012 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaleNixon (Post 860810)
Wow I finally get to see what Lex looks like!

Surprisingly, he's not a muscular kitten. Subbed for progress!

Haltech 01-30-2012 01:20 PM

Well put me in for a couple so i can raffle them off... :)

p057 01-30-2012 01:37 PM

posting just for sub.

fantastic. absolutely fantastic.

Lex 01-30-2012 10:24 PM

Installed

ms3bamf 01-30-2012 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lex (Post 1235506)

Lex, could this theoretically be used on other vehicles too (not just the mazda variety)?

Lex 01-30-2012 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ms3bamf (Post 1235519)
Lex, could this theoretically be used on other vehicles too (not just the mazda variety)?

Yes, it will work with any gasoline turbocharged vehicle with a pull type bpv like the stock one on our cars as well as many other aftermarket bpvs.

DuBz 01-30-2012 11:13 PM

FUCKING sick! I must have one

kgb 01-31-2012 10:32 PM

40psi...should work with my k04?

:09:

Once I go AP, I will get stratified and guarded.

MSP611 02-12-2012 08:12 PM

i would def get one if it worked with my HKS.... hmmm i might have to get a new cold pipe for my FMIC so i can run my forge again..

Tomas 02-26-2012 09:20 PM

1 Attachment(s)
Protection Canadien du moteur de le overboost, aha et Voila.

http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/...20226-1818.jpg



http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/...20226-1816.jpg

Log at around 16 psi trigger for testing purposes.
3rd shifting to 4th.

Attachment 53339

Lex 02-27-2012 02:51 PM

Thanks for posting this Tomas!! Very much appreciated.

wankular 02-27-2012 03:49 PM

I have added these pics to my "Future Mods" folder on my computer. Yes, I am that pathetic.

aviator79 10-28-2015 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boostedms3 (Post 1040133)
does it work with synapse bov???

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lex (Post 1040184)


It depends on how the valve is setup. The synapse can be setup in both push and pull type, so yes it would work with it.

The Synapse Diverter valve can be setup as both push/pull but the BOV cannot. So I assume no work with BOV.

And difference between V1 and V2?

This so I don't really need?

Quote:

At this time this feature is only available when the GA is purchased directly from Stratified** The GA V2 now includes the option to have a 4 bar MAP sensor output at no extra cost! The Guardian Angel's 4 bar MAP sensor can now be integrated into your vehicles harness replacing your OEM MAP sensor. This feature requires simple tuning in order to work properly. This eliminates the need to purchase a costly aftermarket MAP sensor for your turbocharged vehicle!

The Guardian Angel V2 (GA V2) WITH Adjustable Vent to Atmosphere (VTA) Valve Control is designed to protect your turbocharged motor from one of the worst catastrophes: uncontrollable OVERBOOST! This is the best investment you can make in protecting your tuned turbocharged engine from failure.

The GA V2 VTA Adjust Feature allows you to tune the response of your bypass valve! This is a first and unique to market feature not offered anywhere else. You can adjust how quickly your BOV/BPV releases during shifting and how quickly it closes back up. This feature also allows you to run your BPV/BOV in VTA mode without affecting your fuel trims or idle!


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