shit i see what i did. I put the parameters live data instead of the data log. Ill run a couple more times.

My car loved the Stage 1 93 S-OTS map from the first mile. LTFT's within -4/+4, solid AFR's, much better than Cobb's, even with maf cal. Can't wait for a custom tune from @Lex;!

Lex,
here is the correct parameters.

I don't see any issues or boost close to 20psi. You might spike a little when going WOT at higher RPMs but I don't think you'll have issues.

ok, today was way warmer compared to the other day when i noticed the 20s psi. as long as you dont see anything too abnormal i am good with that. In about a month or two i will be doing my tune. Thanks for the help lex.

YA TELL ME ABOUT IT @Lex;- MARIO M.

Here's a 4th gear log with the 93 oct stage 2 map loaded up

No log attached.

lets try this again

Damn, I wish I had that little KR on the 93 tune. Guessing it's my altitude or something causing my higher KR. Tried different fuel and even got some new plugs that were a step colder with no real change. The 91 tune fixed that up.

Gas quality is a big factor.

Well I was running Sunoco and switched out to Shell and saw no change in the KR levels.

Yeah it's weird, I run Chevron 94 here but it still knocks like 91 octane, I wouldn't even dare to run 91 here

My guess is because I'm close to sea level maybe. More dense air. I'll be going home to Missouri to visit here in a few weeks and will be doing some logs there...see how they come out.

Unfortunately it's gas quality. I've tuned cars all over the US, Canada, and internationally and actual octane varies greatly even if the rating written at the pump is the same.

@Lex, with your S-OTS maps, is there any way to make a change to where the EGR codes can be turned off? I am planning on trying your stage 2 map tonight when I get in from work, and I am currently planning on doing the custom tune within the next month or so. I wanted to see how my car reacted to your OTS maps before I do my custom tune with you guys. I have a JBR EGR delete kit waiting to go on, but I thought I read something about your maps being locked and not being able to turn EGR codes off. Please let me know.

Thanks!

I was using Ultra 94, which used to be Sunoco but it Petro Canada now.

If you're going to get a custom tune, I would first try the map and install the EGR delete when you are getting the custom tune.

Currently the EGR codes are in place in the S-OTS maps.

Thanks Lex - I will do that and report back here on my thoughts. I can't wait to get my custom tune!

@Lex; So timing is the only difference between the 93 and 91?

Just for the sake of it, I loaded the Stage 2 93 map yesterday and took 6 logs and in every one of them saw KR over 1.5...and a couple of times over 2.5.

Today I loaded up the Stage 2 91 map and did 8 logs and think I only saw over .5 for a couple of cells. Overall much more time spent at 0.0 KR and a few runs never had any KR at all.

As much as it annoys me (because I'm like this) to run a 91 map for 93 fuel, it's obviously the quality of fuel in this area since I've tried two stations and two different brands with virtually the same results.

91 and 93 fuels are catered to the specific fuels mainly through timing changes. Stage 1 and 2 add another level of difference in that they have different load targets as well.

here is a 3rd gear log I did today with stage 2 loaded up. There are 2 cells right when I went WOT where my FP dropped below 1600 (not sure if I should be worried, I have internals installed), also boost only hit 16psi.

Are you at higher altitude?

Also go WOT at 3000 RPM instead of so early in the RPM band. You will get a better boost response.

I would say no to higher altitude, I'd say I am pretty close to sea level.

Hey @Lex; Just took some logs running the S-OTS Stage 1 93 map, all the numbers look great to me, just wondering what you think.

Looks just fine.

For those people enjoying the S-OTS maps, if you have a spare moment, we'd really appreciate if you wrote a short review of the maps/product on our site at the link below.

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Did some logs last night, this one was with 3 people in the car. I made everyone weigh themselves on a scale when we got back :D

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I've used the Cobb Map Conversion Utility to add FFS and LC into my Stratified tune. Find it here: Map Conversion Utilities

Also, since I have an upgraded HPFP I am thinking about trying out the Stage 2 map this morning (:

Tried out the Stage II maps, best run was 256WHP/297WTQ, got a little knock higher up and since I don't have a test pipe yet I didn't hit the boost targets in this map. I flashed back to Stage I but as soon as I get my race pipe I'll be flashing back to this map and expecting 280/320 :D

What boost are you hitting?I have a jbr stage 2 and loaded a stage 1 91 Oct map and hit 18.1 psi

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Highest I saw on that tune was 17, my stage 1 tune spikes to 19. Of course I did the stage 1 logs at night and the stage 2 logs on the morning so weather may have caused the change.




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Hmm, I have a Sure SRI with TIP and the OTS stage 2 tune hits target boost for me (17.5-18 psi) Stock downpipe and test pipe gives me 245hp/288tq in VD 4th gear at 3572 lbs vehicle weight.

One thing to note, do your pulls in 4th gear and not in 3rd like your sheet shows. Boost is still slightly lower in 3rd than 4th that may be why you dont see 17-18 psi.

I'm wondering tho why your vehicle weight is so high, the stock weight is 3272, you are carrying 600 pounds of stuff in your car? That weight affects the numbers alot and you will see you are far from 256 hp if you input the correct weight and you wont see 280 with a mere test pipe. If I input the same weight as you I get 263hp/310tq and I know I'm not even close to hitting that kind of power yet.

VD is only meant for before/after comparisons, it's probably close to a real dyno but the smallest input mistake can make a world of difference.

Shouldn't we be around 230-240 bone stock with no tune? I could have sworn I've read that plenty of times on here

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There are a few factors if you are using VDyno.

If you are using a Stage 0 map as a baseline, it is just COBB's interpretation of the stock MAP.

Then there is the usual temperature, elevation, humidity, etc.

Then there is the health of the motor.

I have seen some people make 215 or less on a stage 0 map.


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Myself and two friends were in the car, our weights combined were 600 Lbs. I did some pulls with just myself (200 Lbs) today and got the same numbers.

The Shell gas I get here in Missouri must be better than the Shell gas I get in Maryland. Both are rated 93 octane but I can run the S2 93 map here in Missouri with less than 1 knock while I regularly hit over 2 in MD. Not to mention, it's crazy hot in MO right now while temps were more normal in MD. My intake temps were around 100 degrees and I had been driving down the interstate for over 10 miles.

Anyway, linked are the shared Google Sheets and attached are the .csv's for your reviewing pleasure.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...EE&usp=sharing

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...Hc&usp=sharing

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...1E&usp=sharing

Looks like she's running strong!

i'm curious if there is a way to disable my cel that i get for the egr delete while using your s-ots2 93oct map.
i downloaded it, but couldn't get into the map itself to disable the cel. maybe i was doing something wrong...
i keep hearing good things about it over the cobb ots maps, but if i can't block the cel then it will just pull power from me.
i would like to get a custom tune form you guys. but at the moment, i still have some things to change around before i'm ready for that.
if anyone can help, it would be greatly appreciated. thanks.

The S-OTS maps are locked. I am not sure that you will lose any power from that CEL but it is a nuisance. A custom map definitely removes it and I am playing with some ideas to help people that need slight modifications to these maps.

in my experience, the p0401 cel robbed me of some serious power.
i've had my car dynoed 3 times on a dynojet.

1st: 297whp, slightly different mods than in my sig. using a hypertech programer.
2nd: 266whp, same mods in sig but using the hypertech and throwing the p0401 cel due to egr delete. i lost 31whp.
3rd: 286whp, current mods in sig. i gained 20whp back when i was able to block the p0401 code with the cobb ap.

i'm not sure if this will help you in anyway, or if it was just a freaky situation with just me.

thank you for your timely response.

Lex I just ordered the free S-OTS map for my car. How do I go about getting it? Is it a download?

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You simply right click an save as on the correct map on the S-OTS maps page.

Lex. I have been running the applicable Cobb map for some time and couldnt really tell much difference from a base map. But the Stratified map, WOW. Things just got a little more fun! I need that intercooler then its time for a REAL tune. Thanks!

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Lex, as you know I have been running the S-OTS stage2 91 map for a while and have to say I am impressed, using Dashcommand (I hate the AP as a display, the v3 will fix this but money, whats that?) on my iPhone I see calculated HP/TQ over 300/350, my question is about the 93 map and altitude, the highest available pump gas here is typically 91 octane because in theory altitude makes knock less likely, would if be foolish to try the 93 map with 91 octane at altitude? I understand that heading to the lowlands would require a reflash due to knock or staying out of the throttle until possible but my car is seldom below 5600 ft and spends a good amount of time well above that.

If I haven't said it enough, thanks for these maps, night and day difference from the Cobb OTS.

Awesome to hear you're enjoying these and looking forward to working with you on the custom tune. It gets even better :)

Octane rating at the pump is a little hit and miss. Some areas advertise 91 that is better than 93 in other areas. So if you're diligent about monitoring you can see if the 93 tune is too much for your local fuel.

If you're looking to get an AP V3 and a tune from us, we have a little promotion going on:

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...v3-0-a-150914/

im changing from cobb stage 1+ map to s-ots stage 2 91octane map today. im holding very high boost with that map. a little higher than what im expecting. feel strong.

but it came with alot of KR. - till im abit worried looking at the KR, i short shifted while logging.

immediately after that, i change it back to the cobb stage 1+ 98 octane map.

mods- downpipe, hpfp internal, catback, k&N sri.
i would love if some 1 can tell me what i need to do to run this map with 0 KR .

below is the comparison of both map log. same tank of fuel.

i havent try out s-ots stage 1 map tho, if recommended i will do so.

A few things are going on here.

First of all you have a K&N intake which is not the same as the JBR intake the map is made for. So the load calculations are off and it's causing the car to target higher boost.

Secondly, KR is related to fuel quality, boost, and temperature. You have to either increase the fuel quality or lower one (or both) the other 2.

It sounds like a custom map for your exact setup and fuel will serve you best.

i got u lex. can u pm me to discuss about custom tune? im from asia. malaysia

PM sent. This is not a problem, we tune international customer all the time.

i juste istalled the stage 2 s-ots map for 91 oct
its seem like i have some kr
i have drive 60 miles before do this datalog
i have datalog with my ap3
i will post my log
my mod are
jbr stage 2 intake
autotech hpfp
test pipe
can you tell me if all is ok
or i need a custum tune

@Lex; Any reason I couldn't run the Stage 1 91/93 map on a stock intake since the MAF size is the same?

Or is the stock intake restrictive enough that I'm going to see too much boost trying to hit the load targets that this map calls for?

The OEM intake diameter is actually smaller than the JBR intake. So your targets will be "lower" than the map intends.

Thank you Lex for these map, I really do appreciate it. I know these are free off the shelf maps but if you have a moment to have a look over my log I would appreciate it. This file has two 4 gear pulls in it. I have the Power Path Stage 3 intake. I am running your Stage 2 93 map. My AFR does not seem to smooth out like everyone else's and according to VD my HP is in the toilet. It feels like it too.

The two logs above are not the same. In one you are making a lot more boost than in the other.

The inconsistent AFRs - try removing the CAI section of the intake and see if that makes the AFRs smoother.

Yes sorry the VD file is just a trimmed version of one of the pulls that was used for that VD graph. The first file has both pulls inside it that were done one right after the other. The time stamp is retained in the VD file so you can see it in the original. I'll pull the pipe and give it another go.

I just want to give a huge shout-out to @jbarone; & @Lex;. I have the powerpath stage 2 with the accompanying s-ots map and my logs have been reviewed by several individuals for the MAF calibration and they're saying that the cal is spot on! Seriously, good work guys on dialing in the ots tune.

Im new to the mazdaspeed platform and also new to any type of tuning. I have a 13 speed3 with jbr stage 2 sri and autotech internals along with AP and jbr rmm. I downloaded the s-ots maps, and did a couple logs, looking on some input from anyone.

First log is datalog4 which is the stage 2 93 map. I uploaded it drove two days almost a total of 45 miles and then did a log. it was 28 degrees out at time of log and I ran out of room at the end to hit redline.

second log is datalog5 which is the stage 2 91 map. Flashed it and only drove about 2-3 miles before doing a log. it was 34 degrees out and also ran out of room to hit redline.

Like I said im new to the tuning, but I know of some of the key things to monitor ie kr, fuel pressure, ltft's and boost. that being ssaid does anyone have any input? Thanks in advanced

Well you need to add Accelerator position and Injector Duty Cycle to the logs.

I will go back and add those for my next logs

Logs look good and the tune is doing what it's supposed to. The boost is lower than you'd see when temperatures warm up. We can definitely do more with a custom tune on your car but currently there are no issues running on the S-OTS maps.

Here are my first three, 4th gear pulls with the S-OTS 91 stage 1 map. This is on a "false flat" stretch of road. Two pulls on the incline (NW), one down (SE).

They all look good to me but any input is appreciated.

- Ambient temp: -2°F
- Wind: NW/6mph
- Atm. Pressure: 101.6kpa
- Rel. Humidity: 53%


I now know my tach is off by 250rpm as the log shows I started the pulls at 2.7/2.8k to end at 6.2/6.3k instead of 3k to redline. From now on I’ll rely on the AP’s tach.

I'm getting internals, a test pipe and an upgraded top mount in a couple of months so I’m eager to get tuned by Stratified! @Lex;

Everything in the logs looks just fine. The fact that you're logging at 3 degrees F is crazy! Haven't seen many logs at these temperatures.

Great! I supposed that if the fuel pump kept up and there's no knock all is good?

With the Cobb CS 91 v231 map I got plenty over 1° so I lightened my foot substantially, but with yours... :burnout:

Hi, i'm planning on installing jbr sri+tip and jbr egr delete plate this saturday. I was wondering if you made any changes to s-ots map regarding egr delete dtc. I downloaded v 1.10 i believe. Thanks

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Curious about this too, as this is a very common mod and one I am wanting to do before I rack up too many miles. BTW, your maps rock. They definitely illustrate how badly the Cobb ots maps blow.

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I've been running the JBR stage 2 and S-OTS stage 1 map for about a month now and have REALLY enjoyed the results. I've done a few logs here and there to make sure everything was ok, and while I seem to be running a bit lean, everything else looks great.

So today I decided to log a 2nd to 3rd gear pull. I know this isn't how it works but I wanted to do it anyways just to take a look at a different scenario.

Well, my AFR's are totally fucked up, fuel pressure dips to dangerous levels, and my timing just looks odd. I've been reading logs here and there to figure out what I should be looking for but all of these things combined are just beyond my scope of knowledge.

Internals are now on the list but I'm not convinced that's the problem here. Maybe spill or relief valve issue?

So with that, I've attached the log.

Yellow - AFR
Orange - Boost
Blue - HPFP
Red - KR
Green - Spark Advance
@Lex; I'd love for some input. I was hoping to stay away from a custom tune for a little while but I'd happily spend the coin as a preventative measure.

Thanks,
Josh

Hi Josh, the rich AFRs and high boost point to a possible leak in the system or an incorrect MAF reading.

I would check a few things:

1. There are no leaks in your intake system. Do this using a pressurized source right where the filter connects:

2. Check that your MAF sensor is seated correctly and the o-ring is not damaged.

3. Check that the air straightener in the intake is not in any way damaged or loose.

I installed the s-ots stage 1 91 octane tune today ran AMAZING saw zero knock in the 4-5 pulls i did. Only down side was my afr was in the 12.3 range wot and boost was peaking 19+. fuel pressure was in the 1700 range wot on the stock internals. I feel the afr is a little on the lean side would you rec. I reinstall the cobb ots until I can get e-tuned?

I would recommend you get upgraded internals IMHO.

The S-OTS maps are calibrated for the JBR PP intakes.

The Cobb intake is slightly larger in diameter, hence your lean condition.

damn it lol i really love the way it feels cause the cobb ots maps blow major ass nobody likes 10.2 afs wot

Then pay @Lex; the cash and get yourself a custom e-tune.
WELL worth the money, trust me!

Hello,
I recently installed JBR SRI+TIP and flashed ecu with stage 1 S-OTS 93 map. im total noob to tuning, but learning fast on this forums.
Today i finally was able to do some logging at wot in 3rd gear. Also i noticed today 1.03KR, that was not on wot i read here that anything below 2.0 is acceptable? Let me know.
Please take a look at my logs and see if everything is happy as far as parameters.


Much appreciated

You need to add accelerator position to your logs. You dont seem to be hitting boost targets. Lex will chime in eventually and give you some better insight.

Thanks for the S-OTS maps! I've been running the maps for a week and a half with the JBR stage 2 intake and have been super impressed - it feels like a new car.

I finally got a chance to do some 4th gear pulls tonight. Started a little late on pull #2 and didn't get to redline on either - some improvements I need to make for myself for next time.

Mods are autotech internals, JBR stage 2 intake, JBR boost toobs & bypass valve hose, CPE stage 2 RMM, and Corksport race pipe. I'm running the S-OTS stage 2 93 octane.

My weight is 235 lbs. and I'm running my winter setup right now of 205/60R-16. Outside temp was 34 F. So I think I did VDyno right but for anyone looking here for future reference they can take a look at my logs.

I was hoping this map would hold me over until spring/summer when I get a FMIC and meth setup and do a custom tune - but I have a feeling there is room for some gains and will be itching to take advantage of them sooner :)

I do have Acc Pedal log its 74 on wot

Glad to hear everyone is enjoying the driveability and feel of the S-OTS maps. Worked a long time on that particular aspect. They are not meant to maximize power since they are on the safe side so they can be enjoyed by everyone. The custom tune is where we turn things to 11 ... a safe 11 :).

I'm ready to turn things to 12 :smileysex5:

So much good feed back on these. I might have to break down and try one even though I will get an CEL from my EGR delete. I have been thinking of doing a Stratified tune once I'm done modding.

May be worth the CEL for a while to "try out" the Stratified Tuning style.

Absolutely - give it a shot.

I am working on what will hopefully be a solution for these CELs but it won't hurt the car to run with the CEL currently.

Once I get a few more parts bolted on, a custom tune is definitely in the cards for me.

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Hey guys, first I want to say thanks to Stratified and JBR for providing the free map files.

I recently installed a JBR stage 2 PP intake and loaded the stage 1 93 octane map and DAMN it made a huge difference. My car drives like it has a purpose in life now. My other mods are RMM and forged short block internals (ZZB recovery). Side note, I'm 2500mi into my engine break in and running Rotella.

Also, I am a noob at tuning/logging but I'm learning...

I drove it for a couple weeks and just recently logged it and found that I had some KR. I researched and found that this is fairly common due to questionable actual octane in the 93 rated stuff here in FL so I loaded the 91 oct map. I went out on a run and logged the stage 1 91 oct, 93 oct, and stage 0 maps so I could do a side by side comparison. Conditions were 75F outside, near sea level, and I waited a good 10 mins at highway speeds between runs to try to let the engine cool off. All logs are WOT in 4th gear.

I noticed that I'm still getting KR on the 91 oct map and there's nothing in the logs that's jumping out to my noob eyes. I was wondering if you guys would mind taking a look at my logs and seeing if you can shed some light.

Much thanks

Accidentally loaded the jank CSV for the stage 0, here's the excel

Also, my fuel economy dropped from about 24mpg at stage 0 to about 19mpg on the 93 oct map, so far the 91 doesn't seem much better. That seems very uncharacteristic of what I've heard with these maps, something must be up

You're actually not getting any knock in the 93 oct tune runs.

The little bit you see at the end of Run1 is simply the engine making noise as you let off the throttle.

So you can definitely safely run the stg1 93 map while you still have the OEM HPFP.

As for the fuel economy - I do notice some LTFT trims that are a little high in the low load regions. Make sure that you have no intake leaks by pressurizing the intake from the filter side and listening for them.

My MPGs went down too, but it was a direct result of a newly invigorated driving style (meaning lots of WOT) after loading up the S-OTS maps! On long trips with a steady moderate throttle, I saw no loss of MPGs.

On 91oct runs 1 and 2 and 93oct run 1 I'm hitting KR of 1.05 shortly after going WOT, then tapering down from there. What are your thoughts on that?

I'll double check the intake sealing. I think I may have a vaccum problem elsewhere because of a variable swirl control system failure to actuate, but that's another story.

Thanks for taking a look

This is very minor. Spool up KR of this magnitude is not something I worry about. Every internal combustion engine knocks at one point or another and minor knock will not harm it.

Ok I see, that makes me feel a lot better. Coming up: HPFP internals and stage 2 :drive:

I truthfully just want to be 100% sure. First of all I want to say thanks for the free maps and from all the positive feedback I definitely want to try it. I want to try the Stage 1 s-ots map but I have the cobb sri and tih. Is it safe? what should I be logging?

Both of those have already been answered in this thread. READ READ READ

The MAF calibration is wrong so it is not a good idea to do so.

However just for this we have this product:

Stratified MazdaSpeed / Mazda MPS S-OTS+ Tune [Stratified Mazda S-OTS+ Tune] - $25.00CAD : Stratified Automotive Controls

thanks I will definitely be purchasing one later on today when i get home. I'm soon to get an UR uncatted dp and from there I will sure be looking forward to getting a custom tune from you. thanks again! :)

Lots of positive feedback on the S-OTS tune. With CS SRI/TIP, CS TMIC, and Autotech internals, would you recommend giving the stg.1 map a shot?

These are made for JBR intakes.
If you're looking for a decent OTS map for your setup, check out Stratified's OTS+ maps.
A steal for $25.

a steal indeed! I went ahead and flashed the JBR S-OTS map, I experienced some impressive results.
4th gear log, any comments?

That log pretty looks good. Your OL/CL transition is a little late but I've noticed that with these maps. Impressive you can hit load at ~14 psi.

Very nice and clean. Boost will climb once the temperatures increase as it takes more boost at higher temperatures to hit the same load targets.

just purchased your S-OTS + map. I'm really looking forward to it!

@Lex; having some trouble with open office and submitting the form to get my OTS+ tune, I'd like to give you my info ASAP. I've already set up my account on your site and received the conformation emails.