Stratified S-OTS maps for the JBR Power Path Intakes

[Lex]

Originally Posted by iammike @Lex; So timing is the only difference between the 93 and 91? Just for the sake of it, I loaded the Stage 2 93 map yesterday and took 6 logs and in every one of them saw KR over 1.5...and a couple of times over 2.5. Today I loaded up the Stage 2 91 map and did 8 logs and think I only saw over .5 for a couple of cells. Overall much more time spent at 0.0 KR and a few runs never had any KR at all. As much as it annoys me (because I'm like this) to run a 91 map for 93 fuel, it's obviously the quality of fuel in this area since I've tried two stations and two different brands with virtually the same results.

91 and 93 fuels are catered to the specific fuels mainly through timing changes. Stage 1 and 2 add another level of difference in that they have different load targets as well.

[Spawn]

here is a 3rd gear log I did today with stage 2 loaded up. There are 2 cells right when I went WOT where my FP dropped below 1600 (not sure if I should be worried, I have internals installed), also boost only hit 16psi.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by Spawn here is a 3rd gear log I did today with stage 2 loaded up. There are 2 cells right when I went WOT where my FP dropped below 1600 (not sure if I should be worried, I have internals installed), also boost only hit 16psi.

Are you at higher altitude?

Also go WOT at 3000 RPM instead of so early in the RPM band. You will get a better boost response.

[Spawn]

I would say no to higher altitude, I'd say I am pretty close to sea level.

[Agent_Orange]

Hey @Lex; Just took some logs running the S-OTS Stage 1 93 map, all the numbers look great to me, just wondering what you think.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by Agent_Orange Hey @Lex; Just took some logs running the S-OTS Stage 1 93 map, all the numbers look great to me, just wondering what you think.

Looks just fine.

For those people enjoying the S-OTS maps, if you have a spare moment, we'd really appreciate if you wrote a short review of the maps/product on our site at the link below.

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[L3THAL6]

Did some logs last night, this one was with 3 people in the car. I made everyone weigh themselves on a scale when we got back

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Originally Posted by shadow102 Finally got my accessport and flashed in the stage 1 map yesterday and plan on going to the stage 2 map when my internals get here (autotech backorder fail). Anyway i like the option of being able to use the FFS and LC options with the Cobb maps is there any way to add this into the stratified maps as they are locked?

I've used the Cobb Map Conversion Utility to add FFS and LC into my Stratified tune. Find it here: Map Conversion Utilities

Also, since I have an upgraded HPFP I am thinking about trying out the Stage 2 map this morning (:

[L3THAL6]

Tried out the Stage II maps, best run was 256WHP/297WTQ, got a little knock higher up and since I don't have a test pipe yet I didn't hit the boost targets in this map. I flashed back to Stage I but as soon as I get my race pipe I'll be flashing back to this map and expecting 280/320

[Playaj]

Originally Posted by L3THAL6 Tried out the Stage II maps, best run was 256WHP/297WTQ, got a little knock higher up and since I don't have a test pipe yet I didn't hit the boost targets in this map. I flashed back to Stage I but as soon as I get my race pipe I'll be flashing back to this map and expecting 280/320

What boost are you hitting?I have a jbr stage 2 and loaded a stage 1 91 Oct map and hit 18.1 psi

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[L3THAL6]

Highest I saw on that tune was 17, my stage 1 tune spikes to 19. Of course I did the stage 1 logs at night and the stage 2 logs on the morning so weather may have caused the change.




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[Speed3_BigV]

Hmm, I have a Sure SRI with TIP and the OTS stage 2 tune hits target boost for me (17.5-18 psi) Stock downpipe and test pipe gives me 245hp/288tq in VD 4th gear at 3572 lbs vehicle weight.

One thing to note, do your pulls in 4th gear and not in 3rd like your sheet shows. Boost is still slightly lower in 3rd than 4th that may be why you dont see 17-18 psi.

I'm wondering tho why your vehicle weight is so high, the stock weight is 3272, you are carrying 600 pounds of stuff in your car? That weight affects the numbers alot and you will see you are far from 256 hp if you input the correct weight and you wont see 280 with a mere test pipe. If I input the same weight as you I get 263hp/310tq and I know I'm not even close to hitting that kind of power yet.

VD is only meant for before/after comparisons, it's probably close to a real dyno but the smallest input mistake can make a world of difference.

[Playaj]

Shouldn't we be around 230-240 bone stock with no tune? I could have sworn I've read that plenty of times on here

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[himurax13]

Originally Posted by Playaj Shouldn't we be around 230-240 bone stock with no tune? I could have sworn I've read that plenty of times on here Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk 2

There are a few factors if you are using VDyno.

If you are using a Stage 0 map as a baseline, it is just COBB's interpretation of the stock MAP.

Then there is the usual temperature, elevation, humidity, etc.

Then there is the health of the motor.

I have seen some people make 215 or less on a stage 0 map.


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[L3THAL6]

Originally Posted by Speed3_BigV Hmm, I have a Sure SRI with TIP and the OTS stage 2 tune hits target boost for me (17.5-18 psi) Stock downpipe and test pipe gives me 245hp/288tq in VD 4th gear at 3572 lbs vehicle weight. One thing to note, do your pulls in 4th gear and not in 3rd like your sheet shows. Boost is still slightly lower in 3rd than 4th that may be why you dont see 17-18 psi. I'm wondering tho why your vehicle weight is so high, the stock weight is 3272, you are carrying 600 pounds of stuff in your car? That weight affects the numbers alot and you will see you are far from 256 hp if you input the correct weight and you wont see 280 with a mere test pipe. If I input the same weight as you I get 263hp/310tq and I know I'm not even close to hitting that kind of power yet. VD is only meant for before/after comparisons, it's probably close to a real dyno but the smallest input mistake can make a world of difference.

Myself and two friends were in the car, our weights combined were 600 Lbs. I did some pulls with just myself (200 Lbs) today and got the same numbers.

[iammike]

The Shell gas I get here in Missouri must be better than the Shell gas I get in Maryland. Both are rated 93 octane but I can run the S2 93 map here in Missouri with less than 1 knock while I regularly hit over 2 in MD. Not to mention, it's crazy hot in MO right now while temps were more normal in MD. My intake temps were around 100 degrees and I had been driving down the interstate for over 10 miles.

Anyway, linked are the shared Google Sheets and attached are the .csv's for your reviewing pleasure.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...EE&usp=sharing

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...Hc&usp=sharing

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...1E&usp=sharing

[Lex]

Originally Posted by iammike The Shell gas I get here in Missouri must be better than the Shell gas I get in Maryland. Both are rated 93 octane but I can run the S2 93 map here in Missouri with less than 1 knock while I regularly hit over 2 in MD. Not to mention, it's crazy hot in MO right now while temps were more normal in MD. My intake temps were around 100 degrees and I had been driving down the interstate for over 10 miles. Anyway, linked are the shared Google Sheets and attached are the .csv's for your reviewing pleasure. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...EE&usp=sharing https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...Hc&usp=sharing https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...1E&usp=sharing

Looks like she's running strong!

[NoRegrets]

i'm curious if there is a way to disable my cel that i get for the egr delete while using your s-ots2 93oct map.
i downloaded it, but couldn't get into the map itself to disable the cel. maybe i was doing something wrong...
i keep hearing good things about it over the cobb ots maps, but if i can't block the cel then it will just pull power from me.
i would like to get a custom tune form you guys. but at the moment, i still have some things to change around before i'm ready for that.
if anyone can help, it would be greatly appreciated. thanks.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by NoRegrets i'm curious if there is a way to disable my cel that i get for the egr delete while using your s-ots2 93oct map. i downloaded it, but couldn't get into the map itself to disable the cel. maybe i was doing something wrong... i keep hearing good things about it over the cobb ots maps, but if i can't block the cel then it will just pull power from me. i would like to get a custom tune form you guys. but at the moment, i still have some things to change around before i'm ready for that. if anyone can help, it would be greatly appreciated. thanks.

The S-OTS maps are locked. I am not sure that you will lose any power from that CEL but it is a nuisance. A custom map definitely removes it and I am playing with some ideas to help people that need slight modifications to these maps.

[NoRegrets]

in my experience, the p0401 cel robbed me of some serious power.
i've had my car dynoed 3 times on a dynojet.

1st: 297whp, slightly different mods than in my sig. using a hypertech programer.
2nd: 266whp, same mods in sig but using the hypertech and throwing the p0401 cel due to egr delete. i lost 31whp.
3rd: 286whp, current mods in sig. i gained 20whp back when i was able to block the p0401 code with the cobb ap.

i'm not sure if this will help you in anyway, or if it was just a freaky situation with just me.

thank you for your timely response.

[deekspeed]

Lex I just ordered the free S-OTS map for my car. How do I go about getting it? Is it a download?

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[Lex]

Originally Posted by deekspeed Lex I just ordered the free S-OTS map for my car. How do I go about getting it? Is it a download? Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk 2

You simply right click an save as on the correct map on the S-OTS maps page.

[deekspeed]

Lex. I have been running the applicable Cobb map for some time and couldnt really tell much difference from a base map. But the Stratified map, WOW. Things just got a little more fun! I need that intercooler then its time for a REAL tune. Thanks!

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[Yatta]

Lex, as you know I have been running the S-OTS stage2 91 map for a while and have to say I am impressed, using Dashcommand (I hate the AP as a display, the v3 will fix this but money, whats that?) on my iPhone I see calculated HP/TQ over 300/350, my question is about the 93 map and altitude, the highest available pump gas here is typically 91 octane because in theory altitude makes knock less likely, would if be foolish to try the 93 map with 91 octane at altitude? I understand that heading to the lowlands would require a reflash due to knock or staying out of the throttle until possible but my car is seldom below 5600 ft and spends a good amount of time well above that.

If I haven't said it enough, thanks for these maps, night and day difference from the Cobb OTS.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by deekspeed Lex. I have been running the applicable Cobb map for some time and couldnt really tell much difference from a base map. But the Stratified map, WOW. Things just got a little more fun! I need that intercooler then its time for a REAL tune. Thanks! Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk 2

Awesome to hear you're enjoying these and looking forward to working with you on the custom tune. It gets even better

Originally Posted by Yatta Lex, as you know I have been running the S-OTS stage2 91 map for a while and have to say I am impressed, using Dashcommand (I hate the AP as a display, the v3 will fix this but money, whats that?) on my iPhone I see calculated HP/TQ over 300/350, my question is about the 93 map and altitude, the highest available pump gas here is typically 91 octane because in theory altitude makes knock less likely, would if be foolish to try the 93 map with 91 octane at altitude? I understand that heading to the lowlands would require a reflash due to knock or staying out of the throttle until possible but my car is seldom below 5600 ft and spends a good amount of time well above that. If I haven't said it enough, thanks for these maps, night and day difference from the Cobb OTS.

Octane rating at the pump is a little hit and miss. Some areas advertise 91 that is better than 93 in other areas. So if you're diligent about monitoring you can see if the 93 tune is too much for your local fuel.

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[undercover]

im changing from cobb stage 1+ map to s-ots stage 2 91octane map today. im holding very high boost with that map. a little higher than what im expecting. feel strong.

but it came with alot of KR. - till im abit worried looking at the KR, i short shifted while logging.

immediately after that, i change it back to the cobb stage 1+ 98 octane map.

mods- downpipe, hpfp internal, catback, k&N sri.
i would love if some 1 can tell me what i need to do to run this map with 0 KR .

below is the comparison of both map log. same tank of fuel.

i havent try out s-ots stage 1 map tho, if recommended i will do so.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by undercover im changing from cobb stage 1+ map to s-ots stage 2 91octane map today. im holding very high boost with that map. a little higher than what im expecting. feel strong. but it came with alot of KR. - till im abit worried looking at the KR, i short shifted while logging. immediately after that, i change it back to the cobb stage 1+ 98 octane map. mods- downpipe, hpfp internal, catback, k&N sri. i would love if some 1 can tell me what i need to do to run this map with 0 KR . below is the comparison of both map log. same tank of fuel. i havent try out s-ots stage 1 map tho, if recommended i will do so.

A few things are going on here.

First of all you have a K&N intake which is not the same as the JBR intake the map is made for. So the load calculations are off and it's causing the car to target higher boost.

Secondly, KR is related to fuel quality, boost, and temperature. You have to either increase the fuel quality or lower one (or both) the other 2.

It sounds like a custom map for your exact setup and fuel will serve you best.

[undercover]

Originally Posted by Lex A few things are going on here. First of all you have a K&N intake which is not the same as the JBR intake the map is made for. So the load calculations are off and it's causing the car to target higher boost. Secondly, KR is related to fuel quality, boost, and temperature. You have to either increase the fuel quality or lower one (or both) the other 2. It sounds like a custom map for your exact setup and fuel will serve you best.

i got u lex. can u pm me to discuss about custom tune? im from asia. malaysia

[Lex]

Originally Posted by undercover i got u lex. can u pm me to discuss about custom tune? im from asia. malaysia

PM sent. This is not a problem, we tune international customer all the time.

[sebms6]

i juste istalled the stage 2 s-ots map for 91 oct
its seem like i have some kr
i have drive 60 miles before do this datalog
i have datalog with my ap3
i will post my log
my mod are
jbr stage 2 intake
autotech hpfp
test pipe
can you tell me if all is ok
or i need a custum tune

[PokeyHokie]

@Lex; Any reason I couldn't run the Stage 1 91/93 map on a stock intake since the MAF size is the same?

Or is the stock intake restrictive enough that I'm going to see too much boost trying to hit the load targets that this map calls for?

[Lex]

Originally Posted by PokeyHokie @Lex; Any reason I couldn't run the Stage 1 91/93 map on a stock intake since the MAF size is the same? Or is the stock intake restrictive enough that I'm going to see too much boost trying to hit the load targets that this map calls for?

The OEM intake diameter is actually smaller than the JBR intake. So your targets will be "lower" than the map intends.

[Lancer-AM]

Thank you Lex for these map, I really do appreciate it. I know these are free off the shelf maps but if you have a moment to have a look over my log I would appreciate it. This file has two 4 gear pulls in it. I have the Power Path Stage 3 intake. I am running your Stage 2 93 map. My AFR does not seem to smooth out like everyone else's and according to VD my HP is in the toilet. It feels like it too.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by Lancer-AM Thank you Lex for these map, I really do appreciate it. I know these are free off the shelf maps but if you have a moment to have a look over my log I would appreciate it. This file has two 4 gear pulls in it. I have the Power Path Stage 3 intake. I am running your Stage 2 93 map. My AFR does not seem to smooth out like everyone else's and according to VD my HP is in the toilet. It feels like it too.

The two logs above are not the same. In one you are making a lot more boost than in the other.

The inconsistent AFRs - try removing the CAI section of the intake and see if that makes the AFRs smoother.

[Lancer-AM]

Originally Posted by Lex The two logs above are not the same. In one you are making a lot more boost than in the other. The inconsistent AFRs - try removing the CAI section of the intake and see if that makes the AFRs smoother.

Yes sorry the VD file is just a trimmed version of one of the pulls that was used for that VD graph. The first file has both pulls inside it that were done one right after the other. The time stamp is retained in the VD file so you can see it in the original. I'll pull the pipe and give it another go.

[spdandpwr]

I just want to give a huge shout-out to @jbarone; & @Lex;. I have the powerpath stage 2 with the accompanying s-ots map and my logs have been reviewed by several individuals for the MAF calibration and they're saying that the cal is spot on! Seriously, good work guys on dialing in the ots tune.

[Danfriscia3]

Im new to the mazdaspeed platform and also new to any type of tuning. I have a 13 speed3 with jbr stage 2 sri and autotech internals along with AP and jbr rmm. I downloaded the s-ots maps, and did a couple logs, looking on some input from anyone.

First log is datalog4 which is the stage 2 93 map. I uploaded it drove two days almost a total of 45 miles and then did a log. it was 28 degrees out at time of log and I ran out of room at the end to hit redline.

second log is datalog5 which is the stage 2 91 map. Flashed it and only drove about 2-3 miles before doing a log. it was 34 degrees out and also ran out of room to hit redline.

Like I said im new to the tuning, but I know of some of the key things to monitor ie kr, fuel pressure, ltft's and boost. that being ssaid does anyone have any input? Thanks in advanced

[himurax13]

Well you need to add Accelerator position and Injector Duty Cycle to the logs.

[Danfriscia3]

I will go back and add those for my next logs

[Lex]

Originally Posted by Danfriscia3 Im new to the mazdaspeed platform and also new to any type of tuning. I have a 13 speed3 with jbr stage 2 sri and autotech internals along with AP and jbr rmm. I downloaded the s-ots maps, and did a couple logs, looking on some input from anyone. First log is datalog4 which is the stage 2 93 map. I uploaded it drove two days almost a total of 45 miles and then did a log. it was 28 degrees out at time of log and I ran out of room at the end to hit redline. second log is datalog5 which is the stage 2 91 map. Flashed it and only drove about 2-3 miles before doing a log. it was 34 degrees out and also ran out of room to hit redline. Like I said im new to the tuning, but I know of some of the key things to monitor ie kr, fuel pressure, ltft's and boost. that being ssaid does anyone have any input? Thanks in advanced

Logs look good and the tune is doing what it's supposed to. The boost is lower than you'd see when temperatures warm up. We can definitely do more with a custom tune on your car but currently there are no issues running on the S-OTS maps.

[speedaholic]

Here are my first three, 4th gear pulls with the S-OTS 91 stage 1 map. This is on a "false flat" stretch of road. Two pulls on the incline (NW), one down (SE).

They all look good to me but any input is appreciated.

- Ambient temp: -2°F
- Wind: NW/6mph
- Atm. Pressure: 101.6kpa
- Rel. Humidity: 53%


I now know my tach is off by 250rpm as the log shows I started the pulls at 2.7/2.8k to end at 6.2/6.3k instead of 3k to redline. From now on I’ll rely on the AP’s tach.

I'm getting internals, a test pipe and an upgraded top mount in a couple of months so I’m eager to get tuned by Stratified! @Lex;