Stratified S-OTS maps for the JBR Power Path Intakes

[Lex]

Originally Posted by it's toasted @Lex; having some trouble with open office and submitting the form to get my OTS+ tune, I'd like to give you my info ASAP. I've already set up my account on your site and received the conformation emails.

Then simply write the reply in the email body for all the fields in the form.
And also write that you have read and understand the liability statement.

That is all that is needed.

[it's toasted]

sent.

[it's toasted]

I would like to thank and recommend Stratified to any perspective MS3 owners looking to get an affordable/safe e-tune. Their OTS+ maps are a vast improvement over the preloaded Cobb OTS maps. On top of the noticeable gain in power, the drivability is even more enjoyable and the power delivery is linear. For $25, I can't recommend a more worth while expense (aside from a full custom tune i'm sure) for the MZR platform. Big smile from this guy.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by it's toasted I would like to thank and recommend Stratified to any perspective MS3 owners looking to get an affordable/safe e-tune. Their OTS+ maps are a vast improvement over the preloaded Cobb OTS maps. On top of the noticeable gain in power, the drivability is even more enjoyable and the power delivery is linear. For $25, I can't recommend a more worth while expense (aside from a full custom tune i'm sure) for the MZR platform. Big smile from this guy.

Thanks for the kind words! Couldn't be happier to hear that you're enjoying your speed that much more because of our maps.

[DocBrown]

Originally Posted by Lex You're actually not getting any knock in the 93 oct tune runs. The little bit you see at the end of Run1 is simply the engine making noise as you let off the throttle. So you can definitely safely run the stg1 93 map while you still have the OEM HPFP. As for the fuel economy - I do notice some LTFT trims that are a little high in the low load regions. Make sure that you have no intake leaks by pressurizing the intake from the filter side and listening for them.

Hey Lex, I forgot to mention that I have a built engine bored out +0.020" with forged rods and pistons (ZZB recovery). Everything else is OEM except the JBR stg 2 intake. Based on that and what you're seeing in my logs, is there any compatibility issue with the OTS map and the built engine?
Thanks

[Lex]

Originally Posted by DocBrown Hey Lex, I forgot to mention that I have a built engine bored out +0.020" with forged rods and pistons (ZZB recovery). Everything else is OEM except the JBR stg 2 intake. Based on that and what you're seeing in my logs, is there any compatibility issue with the OTS map and the built engine? Thanks

There shouldn't be any issues. Of course now that you have a strong foundation you can definitely build up from there to much loftier power goals.

[DocBrown]

Originally Posted by Lex There shouldn't be any issues. Of course now that you have a strong foundation you can definitely build up from there to much loftier power goals.

Ok cool, thanks.

I definitely have a lot of headroom for power on this engine. Once I do some more upgrades (HPFP internals and DP next) I'll talk to you about a custom tune.

[MechEnix]

I just took this log today after installing the JBR SRI/TIP last week. Looks like my LTFTs are off. I'm assuming the MAF cal is unnecessary, or you included it in the MAP? Maybe I have a boost leak?

[iammike]

Originally Posted by MechEnix I just took this log today after installing the JBR SRI/TIP last week. Looks like my LTFTs are off. I'm assuming the MAF cal is unnecessary, or you included it in the MAP? Maybe I have a boost leak?

Strat OTS maps are already pre-MAF calibrated for the JBR intake systems. I can't open your log here but if you're off signifigantly I would check for leaks.

If you are seeing large LTFT in the +, check for leaks after the MAF but before the turbo (likely since you just installed these parts).

If you are seeing large LTFT in the -, check for leaks after the turbo.

Hope I got those two right. I get them mixed up in my head all the time.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by iammike Strat OTS maps are already pre-MAF calibrated for the JBR intake systems. I can't open your log here but if you're off signifigantly I would check for leaks. If you are seeing large LTFT in the +, check for leaks after the MAF but before the turbo (likely since you just installed these parts). If you are seeing large LTFT in the -, check for leaks after the turbo. Hope I got those two right. I get them mixed up in my head all the time.

You got those right. I am checking with Jamie to see if anything changed with the MAF housing for these intakes.

[MechEnix]

I tightened down the clamps on the intake this morning and drove around for like 50 miles. The STFT seem to stay within + or - 4% with the occasional blip up or down. The LTFT are still a bit off. I guess I should do a pressure test, I just can't see how I could have a boost leak.

Here's another log.

[aforst]

I am currently being stratified tuned by Stan. Great experience so far. I too appeared to have a slight intake leak with JBR stage 2 power path. Everything seemed tight. I ended up switching to the JBR three inch intake just prior to starting the tunning process.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by MechEnix I tightened down the clamps on the intake this morning and drove around for like 50 miles. The STFT seem to stay within + or - 4% with the occasional blip up or down. The LTFT are still a bit off. I guess I should do a pressure test, I just can't see how I could have a boost leak. Here's another log.

They are a little off. I am discussing with Jamie if anything has changed in these intakes over the last batch.

That being said, you have nothing to worry about in terms of safety. The AFRs under WOT are right on target and under part throttle you are far away from throwing a CEL or having any such issues.

[aforst]

My PP intake was awfully tight if not touching the batery box/ ECU. Almost like the T.I.P. Was longer before it made the 90 deg turn if that makes sense. I felt like I needed a 51r batery box. I sent Jamie pics.

[JBR]

Originally Posted by Lex They are a little off. I am discussing with Jamie if anything has changed in these intakes over the last batch. That being said, you have nothing to worry about in terms of safety. The AFRs under WOT are right on target and under part throttle you are far away from throwing a CEL or having any such issues.

There have been no changes to our intakes since day one.

Originally Posted by aforst My PP intake was awfully tight if not touching the batery box/ ECU. Almost like the T.I.P. Was longer before it made the 90 deg turn if that makes sense. I felt like I needed a 51r batery box. I sent Jamie pics.

I think we talked about this? That it was most likely due to the motor be more towards the drivers side vs. the passenger side. There is almost 1" of side to side adjustment in the motor mounts. If the motor is more towards the drivers side it can make the TIP tighter to fit in between the motor and the ECU/battery box.

[aforst]

Yes Jamie and I discussed the position of the motor and the position of the intake. I thought that maybe if Lex was seeing variation in MAF cal that maybe something changed in production. Jamie has been very helpful and responsive. I never did find leak or deformity in MAF housing from over tightening. I am very happy with my three inch intake bypass hose intercooler boost tubes and egr delete from JBR. Side note / vent had oil change at dealer Friday noticed oil spot on ground tonight. Popped hood no dip stick. Oil on front of motor and plastic under tray. Of course dealer closed. Should make a interesting morning tomorrow.

[Malbosia]

Just recently installed the stage 3 power path intake from JBR and flashed the s-ots stage 1 93 map to my speed.

First things first.. Love this fucking intake.. this thing is dripping with win. The sound of the turbo spooling up, the sound of the intake sucking air when I get on it... pure sex.

The map to go with it was just over the top. This JBR and stratified partnership for the intake is so money. I must admit it is what tipped the scales for me to purchase the JBR intake (not that it isn't worthy in its own right). The difference between cobb map and s-ots map is night and day! On a side note.. also installed the JBR rear sway bar and again... this shit is tits.... so money.

On to my question.. after driving for a week all was good till last night when I got a cel pop up.. seems like the random genpu luck of the draw p0101 bank 1 too lean. Chalked it up to installer fail and went ahead and triple checked everything on my ride.

Let me fuel trims settle after about a 60 mile drive to work so on the way home I thought I'd take a couple logs (these are my first and I just realized I only took it to about 6k rpm's instead of 6.5)

Would really appreciate any input on the logs to let me know if something looks off that might trip a cel. Really hoping it was just my failure of an installation and didn't tighten everything down correctly.

Any input is appreciated.. Thanks!

[Malbosia]

Oops forgot attachments!

[JBR]

I'm very happy to hear you like the new parts.

I don't see anything too out of the ordinary in the 4th gear log. LTFT's are just a teency bit high. How many miles did it have on it before the light came on? Let me know if the light comes back on.

-Jamie

[Malbosia]

I'd say probably about 500-600 miles before light popped after install. Re-installed everything this morning so I unplugged battery. 74 miles on it today with no cel but will keep an eye on it.

[gtlaw]

My car pulls hard on the stratified tune but I'm dissapointed that there is still boost limiting in low gears when steering. Can that be changed?

[iammike]

Originally Posted by gtlaw My car pulls hard on the stratified tune but I'm dissapointed that there is still boost limiting in low gears when steering. Can that be changed?

Unplug SWAS...though there are side effects.

[Lex]

Everyone,

Just wanted to make this absolutely clear since I have heard that some people are using these maps with COBB intakes or similar.

Running an S-OTS map with an intake OTHER than a JBR PowerPath will result in load, boost, air/fuel, and timing calculations to be incorrect. This can cause the car to run lean, too much boost, and in general not run safely. These maps are to be used with the JBR PowerPath intakes only and should not be used with other intakes.

If you want an S-OTS built for your intake then your option is the S-OTS+ and the S-OTS+ E85

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[my2k13speed3]

So I'm looking at picking up a JBR power path stage 2 intake and running the stage 1 S-OTS map with stock fuel pump internals... Most of the local nator guys are telling me to continue using the Cobb stage 0 OTS map until i get upgrade internals and not flash over to stage 1 stratified OTS map.

Would I be safe running the OTS map with stock internals or should I wait?

[JBR]

Originally Posted by my2k13speed3 So I'm looking at picking up a JBR power path stage 2 intake and running the stage 1 S-OTS map with stock fuel pump internals... Most of the local nator guys are telling me to continue using the Cobb stage 0 OTS map until i get upgrade internals and not flash over to stage 1 stratified OTS map. Would I be safe running the OTS map with stock internals or should I wait?

The stage 1 S-OTS map will be fine with stock internals.

-Jamie

[anodizedeeznutz]

Originally Posted by jbarone The stage 1 S-OTS map will be fine with stock internals. -Jamie

It isn't in cold weather.


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[my2k13speed3]

I'll probably just wait it out get internals and flash over to stage 2

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[Lex]

Originally Posted by anodizedeeznutz It isn't in cold weather. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

If you have extensive flow modifications such as a catless setup or even a well flowing catted downpipe and exhaust it's probably going to overwhelm the OEM pump.

But then again that's not a stg1 car anyways.

If you have data to show that the OEM pump is not fine with a stg1 car and tune then I'd like to see these.

[anodizedeeznutz]

Originally Posted by Lex If you have extensive flow modifications such as a catless setup or even a well flowing catted downpipe and exhaust it's probably going to overwhelm the OEM pump. But then again that's not a stg1 car anyways. If you have data to show that the OEM pump is not fine with a stg1 car then I'd like to see these.

I made this statement because with only an intake on the stage 1 map a good friend of mine was dropping below 1600 psi with a 2013 in sub 40 degrees.


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[Lex]

Originally Posted by anodizedeeznutz I made this statement because with only an intake on the stage 1 map a good friend of mine was dropping below 1600 psi with a 2013 in sub 40 degrees. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Like I said, I'd like to see some datalogs. The more data I see the better I have an idea if it's an issue that needs to be addressed.

Was he dropping below 1400psi? Or just around 1500.

[anodizedeeznutz]

It was in the 1500s.


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[Lex]

Originally Posted by anodizedeeznutz It was in the 1500s. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

It is on the edge but still acceptable. Anything lower than this?

[anodizedeeznutz]

Originally Posted by Lex It is on the edge but still acceptable. Anything lower than this?

Not from what I recall.


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[my2k13speed3]

so as long as I don't dip below 1600 psi I'm good? Are there other parameters that should be looked at to ensure everything is running properly and safely?

[Lex]

Originally Posted by my2k13speed3 so as long as I don't dip below 1600 psi I'm good? Are there other parameters that should be looked at to ensure everything is running properly and safely?

Here are the specs to which the maps are designed. As well as you meet these guidelines you are good to go:

HPFP (High pressure fuel pump) pressure: Under WOT (wide open throttle) your fuel pressure should not drop below 1500psi. If this is not the case, upgrade the high pressure fuel pump or a custom map is needed for your particular car.

Boost Pressure: Under WOT, boost pressure should not exceed 22psi. Boost pressure will vary depending on the map you have as well as the environmental conditions. Stg1 boost should be 16psi+/-2psi and Stg2 boost should be 18psi +/-2psi. However this may be higher in the summer and lower in the winter due to ambient temperatures.

LTFT (Long term fuel trims): Your long term fuel trims should not exceed +/-15%. If this is not the case there is either a boost leak or the map is not well suited for your intake setup and a custom map is needed.

Air-Fuel Ratios: AFRs should be between 12.0 and 10.8 AFR under WOT operation. If this is not the case there is either a boost leak or the map is not well suited for your intake setup and a custom map is needed.

Knock Retard: If knock retard exceeds 2+ degrees under regular WOT operation, the fuel quality is not sufficient for the map used. Either increase the fuel quality or a custom map is needed for your fuel quality. Remember that knock will happen sometimes. What you are looking for is consistent knock retard under WOT operation. High values of knock retard under part throttle are normal in this vehicle.

Spark plug gap: If you are experiencing any misfiring or spark blow-out make sure the spark plugs are gapped to 0.026". We recommend a step colder plug with these calibrations but it is not required.

[MechEnix]

Took a log and just wanted your opinion @Lex;

[Lex]

Originally Posted by MechEnix Took a log and just wanted your opinion @Lex;

LTFTs are a little high but they are not affecting your AFRs at all. You are also right on the edge of knock with the fuel you are using and this map which is a good place to be since it means maximum performance/efficiency. So everything looks good - how does the car drive?

[deasuma]

i just wanted to thank stratified for their super fast responses. i received my map a couple hours after i sent the form in.
Ive attached a few logs comparing the cobb ots stage 1 maps that were for the CS intake and TIP, and the first few logs i took on the S-OTS+ map i received earlier this week.
i still have a minor boost leak somewhere but have not had time to diagnose were. anyway Thank You so Much Stratified for the huge difference the car has made in a week!!!

[MechEnix]

Originally Posted by Lex LTFTs are a little high but they are not affecting your AFRs at all. You are also right on the edge of knock with the fuel you are using and this map which is a good place to be since it means maximum performance/efficiency. So everything looks good - how does the car drive?

So typically drives well. But today, I filled up at the same gas station I used last time which I had thought made the car drive well and now I'm seeing knock which I've never seen before in other logs at WOT. Maybe it's a bad batch because VS is also showing 250 HP and 288 TQ which seems a tad low compared to what others have achieved with similar mods.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by MechEnix So typically drives well. But today, I filled up at the same gas station I used last time which I had thought made the car drive well and now I'm seeing knock which I've never seen before in other logs at WOT. Maybe it's a bad batch because VS is also showing 250 HP and 288 TQ which seems a tad low compared to what others have achieved with similar mods.

Are you seeing KR just at times or all the time? In the logs KR was minimal so trying a few different gas stations may give you just a bit of edge to stay knock free.