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This build started as a modest modding money pit, which most of you know to be true on the MS3. My goal is 480whp on 100% methanol and E30. I dont have a bonestock baseline, however I do have a dyno from last month. I did 284.9whp on a DynoDynamics @ Engine Logics in Houston(Modded K03, FMIC, 3" straight TBE, CAI, Denso's, Tuned by Randy@Mountune, Dyno sheet below)

I would like to introduce The Not Fucking Around Build, to the list!
  • JDL Auto Design GTX3076R(Tial .63ar turbine housing) turbo kit
  • Tial MV-S currently with 1bar setup, dumped to atmo
  • Aquamist HFS4-v3, custom port injected with four .4mm check valve jets(140cc), currently spraying 100% water until we move to 100% methanol - Big thanks to Richard Lamb with all of his help ensuring all settings and wiring is correct He also is supporting our platform 100% over on FocusST.org.
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Does this forum not resize images LOL

anyways

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FML... First world problems. Really want to see pics, but pics are too big.
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FML... First world problems. Really want to see pics, but pics are too big.
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i will have to resize the damn pictures....or post thumbnails.

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Really looking forward to the outcome Ryan!
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Will stock focus internals hold that kind of power? Either way good luck with the build, sounds like fun.

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Will stock focus internals hold that kind of power? Either way good luck with the build, sounds like fun.

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Don't know. I am the only person to document a build that will push the limit of the stock block and stock head.

we have found that the head flows less than the intake manifold, a PI supplemental solution is the best way to make big power, and that e30 is about the max ethanol blend that will work on our car.

Pistons that are failing are doing so because of excessive heat and upon inspection the injectors are cleaner in the failed clyinders than the good ones.

I stand firm on using a methanol/water mixture to keep the engine alive. Currently 100% water injection is what I am using until @ms3blackmica wants to switch over for the big power.
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Awesome! Really looking forward to seeing the results. I would think the EB could hold as much power as our cars, stock for stock, but who knows.
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Here is a link back to Ryan's build thread on focusst.org

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You know...I'm kicking myself in the penis not going with a 3076 now. Oh well, guess it will be easier the second go around. #fucksavingmoney
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Is @kmac; still making the most power?
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Is @kmac; still making the most power?
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never heard of him lol. I have never seen a baseline or final numbers dynosheet. Also his car has been silent for so long there is no telling what has been done to it or if he even still has it. Not to mention some of his mods were done for no reason, i.e. the intake manifold "upgrade" wont hep unless you mod the head. In which case he no longer is stock block/head, which is what I am after.
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Isn't that a small turbine housing AR for the gtx3076? Guess it'll spool well and should still be enough for the power levels you are aiming for I'd think. I'm just used to .82 AR I guess. I just picked up a .82 tial turbine housing for the hta3076 I'm trying to throw into my car.

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Isn't that a small turbine housing AR for the gtx3076? Guess it'll spool well and should still be enough for the power levels you are aiming for I'd think. I'm just used to .82 AR I guess. I just picked up a .82 tial turbine housing for the hta3076 I'm trying to throw into my car.

Awesome build! Glad to see people being bold and pushing boundaries
it is small but im in the 72% eff island with this housing. if I were shooting for 650whp I would have gone .82 like you.

Based on my logging I enjoy full spool at a consistent 4033rpms. Nishan believes we can improve that a bit, if so I would love to see full spool around 3700 instead!
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who?

never heard of him lol. I have never seen a baseline or final numbers dynosheet. Also his car has been silent for so long there is no telling what has been done to it or if he even still has it. Not to mention some of his mods were done for no reason, i.e. the intake manifold "upgrade" wont hep unless you mod the head. In which case he no longer is stock block/head, which is what I am after.
How are you deducing an intake manifold, "won't hep unless you mod the head"?
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How are you deducing an intake manifold, "won't hep unless you mod the head"?
Speed Perf6rmanc3 flow tested the Turbo Tech Intake Manifold, OE manifold, and OE head. Given their expertise on the MZR L3 and the level of respect they command here on MSF, I trust that their testing is valid and honest.

The OE manifold out flowed the head, however it has no runners. Using an intake spacer adds short runners and has shown to shift the torque curve slightly but more importantly allows for a PI system of your choice.

a member(Ocysp) over on FocusST.org dyno'd his car with tuning and without showing before and after using an after market intake manifold. there was literally no gain that could be quantified. The manifold he used was the TTR which has a 6.0L plenum.

Also the only two intake manifolds available weigh more than the OE. Turbo Tech Racing(which I have owned) and the Breedt CNC'd. Both companies did NO research prior to making these manifolds(such as dyno or flow testing, they relied on members to provide that data). The Manifold that kmac supposedly tested was the Breedt but Breedt never released the results, for unknown reasons. They also dodge questions regard performance. The biggest elephant in the room is the weight of the Breedt, a whooping 25lbs+. I flew to Seattle on business and dropped by their shop to see and help test(which never happened after talking to Speed Perf6rmanc3) the manifold and I was shocked at the weight of the multi-piece unit. It is very nice but but for me engine bay eye candy is low on the list.
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I'll never forget seeing your ST at TeaWorks, I'm sure it was still K03 back in 2013. What kinda power do you think the stock motor will be good for? Nice build regardless!
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I'll never forget seeing your ST at TeaWorks, I'm sure it was still K03 back in 2013. What kinda power do you think the stock motor will be good for? Nice build regardless!
No Idea. With @ms3blackmica's expertise and my well thought out build we may see numbers as high as 490whp but that will only be for the sake of setting a record. TBH no knows what the stock block will handle since I will be the first to push it this far

We will dial it back to 450whp and leave it there
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Welp motor is toast at 390

SP63 is gonna fap some magic into a new build.

I'll have more on that soon enough
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What failed?
I believe this is the thread. In this post he reports low compression in Cyl#4.

JDL Auto Design GTX3076R Kit - Motor and Fueling By Speed Perf6rmanc3 - 550whp+???? - Page 54

I was discussing in shout with others, the thing I don't understand is how you turn a car over to a dealership with a tune on it that can damage the engine. I have a feeling some critical details are not documented in that thread.
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I believe this is the thread. In this post he reports low compression in Cyl#4.

JDL Auto Design GTX3076R Kit - Motor and Fueling By Speed Perf6rmanc3 - 550whp+???? - Page 54

I was discussing in shout with others, the thing I don't understand is how you turn a car over to a dealership with a tune on it that can damage the engine. I have a feeling some critical details are not documented in that thread.
Hm. Seems like the ST may have the same issue as the Speed has with the intake manifold; IE cylinder 4 is the boom cylinder due to the flow characteristics of the intake mani (Cylinder 4 gets the worst combustion because of this). I think our OEM Manis vary airflow up to ~23% from cylinder to cylinder.
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I believe this is the thread. In this post he reports low compression in Cyl#4.



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I was discussing in shout with others, the thing I don't understand is how you turn a car over to a dealership with a tune on it that can damage the engine. I have a feeling some critical details are not documented in that thread.

Your feelings don't matter, nothing is hidden. Through my own fault I disabled the Aquamist system and rather than flash the ECU to a e30 only tune I changed slots to a zero WG and low spark/fuel slot.

You don't understand how I could hand my car over? I will make it easy for you to understand:
1. Tranny first gear synchro took a shit
2. Knew it wasn't an issue that I contributed to
3. Initiated a Ford Customer Care case through my forum's resident Ford Rep
4. Met with both the Service Manager and Trans tech
5. Had the transmission swapped under warranty.


The minute the engine went under boost and heat was generated the lack of methanol present allowed heat to build up.

Speed Perf6rmanc3 is sponsoring my engine and I couldn't be happier that I inadvertently cracked a piston.


Unlike a lot of members both here and on focusst.org I will admit to my fault and not pursue a free engine.
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Originally Posted by HawkeyeGeoff View Post
Hm. Seems like the ST may have the same issue as the Speed has with the intake manifold; IE cylinder 4 is the boom cylinder due to the flow characteristics of the intake mani (Cylinder 4 gets the worst combustion because of this). I think our OEM Manis vary airflow up to ~23% from cylinder to cylinder.
That goes against everything the fanbois are saying about how awesome the ford mani is and that no one needs to go aftermarket...
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Suddenly @kmac; running a mani doesn't sound so dumb...
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Suddenly @kmac; running a mani doesn't sound so dumb...
You did read the thread and cause of the motor popping didn't you...? What do you think would happen to any engine running a perfectly flow balanced mani and way too much timing at redline on pump gas?
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You did read the thread and cause of the motor popping didn't you...? What do you think would happen to any engine running a perfectly flow balanced mani and way too much timing at redline on pump gas?
Who the fuck let you back in here?
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That goes against everything the fanbois are saying about how awesome the ford mani is and that no one needs to go aftermarket...
I think SPE3DPerformance did a flow test and showed it was good in all the characteristics....but there's definitely still some kind of problem with either fuel or air obviously. Whatever. There are a TON of Ford Ford Booms going on.
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Did they flow test it on a head?
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I think SPE3DPerformance did a flow test and showed it was good in all the characteristics....but there's definitely still some kind of problem with either fuel or air obviously. Whatever. There are a TON of Ford Ford Booms going on.
Cyl 4 runs the hottest and is most knock prone, second to that, cylinder 2. You have to take things with a grain of salt - a good number of these booms are abuse related and many of them are heat and detonation related.

Keep that at bay and the motor is quite reliable just like any turbo motor.

The speeds have their LSPI failures especially with the gen1/ms6 and funny enough a lot of the research with LSPI has come out after 2010 which is well after the speed3 motor was designed even in the gen2.
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Cyl 4 runs the hottest and is most knock prone, second to that, cylinder 2. You have to take things with a grain of salt - a good number of these booms are abuse related and many of them are heat and detonation related.

Keep that at bay and the motor is quite reliable just like any turbo motor.

The speeds have their LSPI failures especially with the gen1/ms6 and funny enough a lot of the research with LSPI has come out after 2010 which is well after the speed3 motor was designed even in the gen2.
This is very true. Do they have a root cause for the cylinders running hotter?

I could imagine you will get more abuse cases with a higher volume vehicle regardless.
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Did they flow test it on a head?
I really am not sure. Obviously there is some fundamental problem with air/fuel when one cylinder runs hotter than the other so regardless there is some issue that hasn't been resolved/ brought to attention of the enthusiasts yet.
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I really am not sure. Obviously there is some fundamental problem with air/fuel when one cylinder runs hotter than the other so regardless there is some issue that hasn't been resolved/ brought to attention of the enthusiasts yet.

A lot of people jump to air/fuel as the culprit but there can be more to it especially relating to the cooling circuit. Cyl 4 is the furthest from the water pump.

On v8 engines the rear cylinders often were the first to let go due to not being cooled enough by the cooling system.
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A lot of people jump to air/fuel as the culprit but there can be more to it especially relating to the cooling circuit. Cyl 4 is the furthest from the water pump.

On v8 engines the rear cylinders often were the first to let go due to not being cooled enough by the cooling system.
Just like 6 being the most knock prown on the 335s (from what I've seen).
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Originally Posted by Lex View Post
A lot of people jump to air/fuel as the culprit but there can be more to it especially relating to the cooling circuit. Cyl 4 is the furthest from the water pump.

On v8 engines the rear cylinders often were the first to let go due to not being cooled enough by the cooling system.
Hm. Well that's a little bit more of an issue. There's not too much you can do with that other than run a bigger radiator, add some water wetter, or run a higher H20/antifreeze mix. If that's the case, I'd expect this to continue until Ford decides to redesign the cooling system in the block or changes the pistons.
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