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 Old 03-13-2014, 09:05 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by dale_gribble View Post
Hmmm, how to proceed.... I think we could setup this way to start:

Here is what I think we need personnel wise:

Editors

Help contributors with any questions, check spelling/grammar/content and contact contributors when questions arise. Non contributor members can contact editors if they think there are problems on any of the pages. Maybe 3-5 of these folks. These guys can create/edit content.

Knowledge Base Transition Contributors

I think we need people who can transition KNOWN good information/data/stickies to Wikispeedia direct from MSF. i.e. basically cut and paste common knowledge/proven information These guys should be technical contributors to MSF and should be selected through some process. Maybe we pick 5-10 guys who can create Intake pages, exhaust pages, 07-09 MS3 factory specs page, 10-13 MS3 factory specs page, MS6 factory specs page, etc. These guys should carefully create content from existing good content; a lot of copy/pasting and cite the references on the respective MSF forum pages. These guys can create new content but cannot edit existing content on Wikispeedia.

Freelance / New content contributors

I think all Gearheads have earned the right to become freelance contributors. These are our tenured professors so to speak so I think they are all granted contributor status and have free reign to create topics, edit topics, etc. They can basically do anything but delete topics. Whether they choose to contribute is up to them, but that's a right/privileged they have earned over their years of working with MSF platform.

I think affiliated MSF e-tuners should also be freelance contributors by default. I think they are all granted contributor status and have free reign to create topics, edit topics, etc.

Structure

I think we can layout a skeleton structure of the Wikispeedia, basically a top level diagram of how the pages would go and where they would go. I think this could be a community driven kind of thing from forum members input.

I think we can open this up as the data gets in place and we can open up to more contributors. I think this might get us a good start.
I'm happy to function as an Editor or in whatever capacity you'd like. I was the Editor-in-Chief of my law school's Intellectual Property Law Journal, so I've got an eye for syntax, grammar, and so forth. Just let me know what you'd like, and I'll do what I can to make it happen!
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There is a growing body of suspension modeling/information that might be appropriate for the wiki as well. I'd be glad to compile and submit.
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Ok guys, here's an update. Tried installing two different versions of a snap in Wiki. They are just completely fucked up in every way and do not play well with user permission, content layout, editor, etc.

So, while i fight to get my refund from that mistake, i went ahead and installed a REAL Wiki.

I present to you, the MSF MS3/6 Wiki:

Mazdaspeed Forums Mazdaspeed 3/6 Wikispeedia

So, you editiors need to create an account over there so we can get this started. I would also like to add James (Enki Fuck) as an admin since he is great with php and shit like that. We should be able to customize the shit out of this and make it the worlds best fuckin Wiki and set the example.
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Now where do we start?
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With @Haltech; fixing shit so that people can actually create accounts and login.
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With @Haltech; fixing shit so that people can actually create accounts and login.
This.

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I'll get it fixed. Gimme a few...
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OK people, those that are ready to start adding data to the wiki PM me and I'll get you set up with an account and a temp password (which you can update later).

Edit: Nevermind, account creation is live. Have at it folks!
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So, I guess a couple ways to do this. We organize something and put a framework on the wiki along the lines of what I highlighted and people can contribute to those pages.

We are gonna need some editors that can create pages and layout a basic framework. I saw that after I logged in that I can edit a page, but I can't create new pages. I'm guessing that's elevated permissions.
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I'm admin level so I can do whatever needs to be done; just let me know.

As a side note, fucking around in the wiki will get you a vacation on the forums proper.
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I suggest we get 4-5 volunteers to lay out the framework. I suggested this in a previous post-

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...9/#post2485836

I don't mind laying the groundwork, but I am a wiki n00b (only ever consumed), so I will have a learning curve to become familiar with the layout and making pages and stuff. It would be cool if someone here could do groundwork and has wiki editing experience.
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I'm working on learning it myself: E85 and Oil - Mazdaspeed Forums Mazdaspeed 3/6 Wikispeedia
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Quick reference guide/cheatsheet for editing:

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Can you give me access to create pages?
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i can offer nothing but encouragement.

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I do nothing in Afghanistan. I will also be home the first and not have a job for a few. I would love to contribute. Maybe not so much in the tuning tips and such. But I'll be damned if I cant do some bitch work.

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Can you give me access to create pages?
I think you're already an admin.

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Lemme know fellas.
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I'd suggest you want to lay out an index of sorts with some structure like:

Tuning
- General
- - What is tuning
- - Terms
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- - Timing
- - Fueling
- - etc
- Hypertech
- etc
Parts
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- Intakes
- - MAF Sensor
- Downpipes
- - O2 Sensor
- Fuel Pumps
- etc
Vehicle Specific
- MS3
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- - GenPu
- MS6
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- CX-7

and so on and so forth. I think having the basic structures and indexes is the best place to start before creating random pages. Then just go through and fill in the blanks once a high level structure is agreed on. If you just create random pages without any structure (the URL structure in wiki guides the layout to a big extent) it will be a total mess.
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We need to start a thread or use this thread as a place for people to post links to info that should be added. It would be much easier to have a list of everything that should be added and then go from there.

It also might be helpful to allocate X section to a certain person, to avoid multiple people making changes at the same time and creating confusion/clean-up work.

I made an account, let me know what I can do.

Also, should we make a general engine, etc. theory section? Or are we keeping this 100% DISI related?

EDIT: I agree with @someguy;, a structure will make this easier to work with before creating pages. This will help prevent a lot of clean-up work and moving later on, IMO.
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Yup...I support/edit our internal media wiki at work (I'm a software developer so we put a bunch of our software products and design in the wiki) and structure is key to making it useful.

So whoever is going to be the overall god of the wiki should draft up a proposed index structure, have it reviewed in a thread, adjust, and then get that setup. Once that's done, then we can have people start filling in and creating the individual topics and pages.
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Personally I think the specific vehicle/year considerations should be a part of the main page for whatever just to cut down on having to get click happy or having information in multiple locations, even if that means the pages get a little bigger.

Keep in mind we can always reformat/redirect pages as needed later.

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..."should draft up a proposed index structure, have it reviewed in a thread, adjust, and then get that setup"... "we can have people start filling in and creating the individual topics and pages."

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- - What is tuning
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- Hypertech
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Parts
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I agree with the structure. No structure equals a giant mess. I recommend breaking it down into say Gen1 then Gen2. Seperate section for MS6/CX-7/Miata's, shit like that. After that break it down into parts and what not similiar to this thread: http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...-thread-99627/

He breaks it down. Says whats available, for what car, prices and so on and so forth. This "layout" per-say could be used for quite a few sections. Add in the who, what, when, where, why and how. Everything after that is history.
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I already had a conflict with Enki while we both were editing a page; the wiki handled it just fine. It basically shows me his change before submitting mine and asks me if I would like to proceed with my changes. In that case, users should fully review the update and then commit their update to the other users new updates rather than overwriting them.

I am using the Methanol section as a sandbox to learn how to do this.

It would be interesting to see what would happen to this if it was open range for a few days; i.e. see how people populate it and edit their work. It could be that a true open structure would be beneficial or it might be utter anarchy. We will know pretty quick what we like and what we don't by letting it run its course for a few days. Plus, unless I am mistaken, it looks like pages/links/etc can be moved around pretty quickly to clean up the structure to whatever folks want. Say it turns to anarchy, all of the data is there and it just has to be structured how the group wants.

Also, I would like to bring up image hosting. A concern would be that if we source images from other sites or photo sharing sites that the image owner can remove their image and the site loses the image.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it be a good thing for MSF to have an image repository so images can be hosted by MSF for Wikispeedia?
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I already had a conflict with Enki while we both were editing a page; the wiki handled it just fine. It basically shows me his change before submitting mine and asks me if I would like to proceed with my changes. In that case, users should fully review the update and then commit their update to the other users new updates rather than overwriting them.

I am using the Methanol section as a sandbox to learn how to do this.

It would be interesting to see what would happen to this if it was open range for a few days; i.e. see how people populate it and edit their work. It could be that a true open structure would be beneficial or it might be utter anarchy. We will know pretty quick what we like and what we don't by letting it run its course for a few days. Plus, unless I am mistaken, it looks like pages/links/etc can be moved around pretty quickly to clean up the structure to whatever folks want. Say it turns to anarchy, all of the data is there and it just has to be structured how the group wants.

Also, I would like to bring up image hosting. A concern would be that if we source images from other sites or photo sharing sites that the image owner can remove their image and the site loses the image.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it be a good thing for MSF to have an image repository so images can be hosted by MSF for Wikispeedia?
I did the same thing using the e85 section to learn how to do this stuff, and then linked it to the main page only to make it easier to get to. It is very easy to just create content and then structure it later, but having a good foundation to work off of is also a good idea.
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Media wiki supports image uploads to the wiki and gives you something like this:
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I did the same thing using the e85 section to learn how to do this stuff, and then linked it to the main page only to make it easier to get to. It is very easy to just create content and then structure it later, but having a good foundation to work off of is also a good idea.
You need to be careful doing that though, because the old page remains with a redirect rather than as an empty page to be had. Keep an eye on the URL's you guys use if you don't want things to be weird.
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I definitely recommend we get the image hosting thing hammered out before going a whole lot further @Haltech;.
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Media wiki supports image uploads to the wiki and gives you something like this:
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@Haltech; possible?


You need to be careful doing that though, because the old page remains with a redirect rather than as an empty page to be had. Keep an eye on the URL's you guys use if you don't want things to be weird.
I don't follow...the structure seems title based:
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And the pages I created were done by searching for what I wanted the page title to be and then making that page exist.
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I don't follow...the structure seems title based:
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And the pages I created were done by searching for what I wanted the page title to be and then making that page exist.
I can't remember off the top of my head what we did in our work one exactly, but this should help:
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I think it was the categories/page strategy. Like I'd imagine you want Parts/Tuning to be categories with pages under them.
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Oh right, I've only been doing base links, and the image I posted of the structure in the other thread was just a reference and has since been split up.
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@Haltech; possible?


You need to be careful doing that though, because the old page remains with a redirect rather than as an empty page to be had. Keep an eye on the URL's you guys use if you don't want things to be weird.
Well i was waiting on that.. I went ahead and added:

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Which only allows those with edits to upload files. Lemme know if you are having issues with it.
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Well i was waiting on that.. I went ahead and added:

$wgGroupPermissions['user']['upload'] = false;

Which only allows those with edits to upload files. Lemme know if you are having issues with it.
I can edit pages right now with just creating an account myself (unless someone gave me more permissions). I don't see the usual upload link in the left menu though.
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I can edit pages right now with just creating an account myself (unless someone gave me more permissions). I don't see the usual upload link in the left menu though.
You have contrib rights.. not user.. As a user you can edit or upload. Ive already tested it. If someone wants to double check this, i would be great. Thanks
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You have contrib rights.. not user.. As a user you can edit or upload. Ive already tested it. If someone wants to double check this, i would be great. Thanks
This is what it says in my preferences though for groups I'm in...I take it there's another users one? No matter if I can't upload. I can edit existing pages as it stands too.

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His info is outdated and was pulled off months ago.
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His info is outdated and was pulled off months ago.
Right, but the gist of the thread is that something should take its place; that's what I'm working on getting up on the wiki.
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First section of the wiki tuning guide is up. Please let me know if there are any questions, corrections or clarifications that should be and/or need to be made.

Guide Home: Tuning Is That Simple - A guide by Enki - Mazdaspeed Forums Mazdaspeed 3/6 Wikispeedia

Guide Section 1: TITS - Preparation - Mazdaspeed Forums Mazdaspeed 3/6 Wikispeedia
Its almost 2am and I'm pretty drunk so I'll have to read the rest of the page later... but seems awesome from what I can comprehend. You're the man
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