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This thread will be dedicated to the discussion of calipers used on both Wilwood and TCE/Wilwood product.


Have a question, comment or concern about a newer or older part; let me know.



First up: Colors. A number of folks have asked about colors. What are available, how much more are they, what calipers are they on etc.

Options: BLACK, RED, BLUE, YELLOW, and SILVER

Caliper models: Most all.

Cost: Some are no extra cost at all! If your kit comes with black or red powder coated calipers standard there is NO extra fee. If you want color on another model the costs can vary a bit. Figure $100-$135.

Additionally some calipers are also available in Wilwood Quicksilver electroless nickel plating. These run about $175pr and are limited to only a few models.







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The calipers offered for these kits are the Dyna Pro 6 (DP6) and the Forged Narrow Dyna Lite 6 (FNSL6).




The DP6 is a great street enthusiast caliper. It combines light weight with a quick release pad retainer clip and offers very low caliper to spoke clearance.


The negatives are that it is not an overly durable open track caliper. Being both lug mount and a lighter weight body the durability is not ideal for high pressure applications. The pads in the DP6 are also only 12MM thick meaning greater heat transfer and shorter life.

Don't mis understand me; it's a very good and popular caliper. We use it in a number of kits from the Solstice to the MINI to our own "Caliper Kit" fit to the stock 12.6" rotor on the Focus ST. Its easy fit, low clearance and low cost make it ideal for a lot of these uses. In Caliper Kit form the ST sells for only $743 making it a great addition to factory one piece rotors. The Wilwood factory kit fit with these is not a lot more....!

For the more 'hard core' driver however, even when fit to the larger 13" rotors the lighter weight and thinner pads have their shortcomings. We suggest of course proper pads for any open track use and possibly some Ti heat shields. For more info on pad options and such please call or email.

If you are a street cruiser who does little or no open track "beat the crap out of it for 30min sessions..." it's the ideal caliper and kit for value with is ubar low price. Don't overlook the quality and value, be honest with what you are buying a kit for.




The TCE 13 and 14" kits will be fit with the FNSL6 model. While more money they also offer a stiffer design and are radial mount. That simply means they are less prone to flex across the mounting plane. The caliper replaced the former BSL6n which was in lug mount form and we used to fit to the steel mounting brackets. The mounting of the lug mount caliper was marginal at best back then and today's radial mount bracket (see the bracket thread) is superior in every way. Also these brackets highlight the benefits outlined in that thread.


The FNSL6 uses the more popular 7416 pad offering both more pad options but also 4mm thicker material (16mm) for longer life and greater heat rejection. Pad retention is by way of a single bridge bolt for both securing the pad and adding stiffness to the caliper body. The trade off of course is that this wider and beefier pads which will compromise spoke clearance.

For those who take their track days seriously the FNSL6 is the preferred caliper. Proven on both TCE and Wilwood kits including Eclipse, Mustang and Corvette for years. They will run you a bit more money as the entire kit is produce by TCE and not simply a drop shipment. Currently we have 13" kit brackets in stock and should have 14" parts shortly.
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Does TCE use any other calipers?

Of course!

The two most common calipers found on a lot of TCE product are the DPR or Radial Mount Dyna Pro and the Aero6 (or 4) which was until recently the W6A (and 4A) series caliper.


The DPR is a great mid level caliper. Ideal for compact situations where other calipers won't fit. Due to the body design the DPR will allow up to 12" be fit inside some 15" wheel. Unheard of with other models. Combining this great fit with a robust body and radial mount this small body caliper packs 16mm pads even.


You'll find these fit a a lot of TCE custom applications where wheel fit and size are limited. They top out on 12.2" rotors and a max width of 1.00". The DPR is also available with either ss piston are fully dust booted aluminum pistons for long life as a street only caliper.



The other notable caliper is the Aero6. The replaced the popular W6A just as the new FNSL6 replaces the BSL6N model. The Aero series calipers are for larger (14-15") rotor and where extreme use such as open track use are the norm. No longer using an open bridge, top loading design the Aero now requires caliper removal for pad changes. A bit of a pain but the added body stiffness is a plus for extreme pressure use. Strong enough that they now feature INTERNAL cross overs thus no exposed tubes.


Currently the only kit offering this model is our 14" kit for the RX8.



What about the others: FBDL, DLS and FSL models??

The FBDL is simply too light a caliper for most enthusiast applications. The 12mm pad far too thin for sustained use. While it's true we've done a few of these (FOCUS ST kits on sale for $419) they are soon out grown by anyone who puts these parts through their paces. Far more suited for sub 2000lb machines they are a great caliper- just not for these cars.

The DLS is lighter yet. For someone building a drag car the light weight is nice but buyer beware; they are simply way too small and light for a daily driver use. RACE only.

The FSL on the other hand is a staple of TCE builds for years and a very powerful and affordable part in the mid class size caliper. The only real negatives are some more complex mounting at times and the need for 20mm pads which compromise wheel fit.
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The other calipers above here:

The FSL- a staple of the TCE market for over 15yrs this caliper is today a mid class caliper and features a 20mm thick pad which is often preferred for open track users. The caliper is a simply lug to plate mount and a cost effective package. Will TCE again produce an FSL shod kit for the 3 or 6? Not really sure. The price point is attractive as we'd see this set up coming in at about $1250. But...the benefits of the FNSL6 are such that the added money is well spent.


Former use on both the 3 and 6 were very successful however.


The FBDL is a compact small class caliper intended for 10-12" rotor. TCE recently finished up a custom build for an Audi 4000 for a customer using this caliper. While it's light weight bod is attractive the overall nature of the caliper is undersized for the more hard core use and durability will suffer. We saw many of these in the Billet Dyna Lite sold a low cost "Wilwood kits" in the Subaru market years ago. Today they can be had for pennies on the dollar used having been taken back off the cars. I've produced a few of these for various cars with moderate success and find them a good caliper for the right use tho.





The DLS or Dyna Lite Single is a small class caliper for drag and 'buggy' use with a light weight build in mind. We use this caliper extensively on some rear drag kits (Eclipse) and have even done four wheel kits for pure SRT4 drag cars for customer. They are no suited for street use on cars over perhaps 1500lbs however. Now if you are building a dedicated Mazda drag car...let me know and we'll see what can be had!

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The TCE/Wilwood DP6 Focus ST Caliper Kit looks great and functions well there. You can have this same great look on your 3 for a few bucks more- and get 2pc hats and rotor to go with it!
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Nice custom build recently supplied to a customer for his Focus ST.
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Asked if the proposed rear 13" kit will use a four pot caliper...the answer is for most folks; no. The rear caliper on a 13" kit will be the combo parking brake caliper. This set up is the same proven dual action caliper found on many Wilwood factory kits as well as our own kits for a number of vehicles.

The Combo caliper is a dual action caliper like you have now. It applies pressure to one piston as a sliding design but also has the build in ratchet assembly for the parking brake.

Fitting this may prove a bit dicey given the stock cables. I'm hoping to get my hands on a car to see what we have to work with for cables now. Ideally we want to be able to use these thus lowering the final cost and complexity found with custom cables. For that reason mainly I see this kit still clearly in the look-see stage.




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Can we do a four pot rear? I know it's doable for those of you considering a non parking brake kit yes. Right now it's not high on the radar but some inquiries might bump that along if there's truly and interest.




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