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09-02-2008, 05:29 PM
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|  Actually the Open Source stuff did/does note really effect sales too much, now or when first released. It is really a different group that uses the Open Source versus the AccessPORT, even when you factor in the AccessTUNER option. So it is not really an effort to be competitive with Open Source, but rather to offer a solution for those that want to modify our maps if their car has any specific issue like boost spiking, etc. We are basically removing another excuse not to buy the AccessPORT by removing the potential issues some users have. 
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09-02-2008, 06:56 PM
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| so when is it coming Josh. Spill the beans.
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09-02-2008, 07:27 PM
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If OPENECU wasnt available, how many of those guys would eventually buy an AP instead? or would they all just not mod their cars? I think if someone dumped all the Mazda files over to OPENECU, it would definitely affect our market. Oh, there would still be guys who bought the AP I guess....but I think it would definitely kill the bulk of sales. And that goes for the standback/ full throttle flash as well. I think CPE would be even more affected. The AP might still have a little movement because of its history and sex appeal, but the standback would be toast.
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09-03-2008, 05:52 PM
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| The EVO guys like the Open Source stuff a lot more than most markets. I guess in that case the OS stuff may have drank our milkshake a little, but we have never been strong in the EVO VIII/IX market. In the other markets the OS users are a lot smaller of a community. Ya, they may take some customers, but not enough to make a dent. Open Source users are by far the minority in most markets. Not a lot of people are trained in tuning, and most do not want the possibility of blowing a motor to learn. No offense intended, but most of the Open Source users are the same people who buy the the cheapest, ill fitting, no warranty, no support goods off of eBay. Yes, those parts do take market share from companies who do higher quality work, but not much. In some ways they actually earn us a bit of money. When that eBay part causes issues when they come in for a tune, we get to charge them for the time it takes us to diagnose the issue and possibly fix it.  Open Source does some of the same. When they want a map that works better, many times they end up using a method that tuners use and is supported.
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09-03-2008, 08:14 PM
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| OS people are the hardcore car guys who actually get every bit out of their car and feel proud knowing they did it themselves. On this forum....good luck trying to compete with OS cause if it does come out ill personally do a write up on everything and will help people figure out their tunes via datalogs/emails. BTW since when are evo owners cheap? Most evo guys i know are balls out to the wall pushing crazy numbers...using OS | |
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2. Loosh gets OS 3. Loosh goes to couples counseling with Rose
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| From what I've seen in the subie community, those with the stock turbo's and less experience favor the AP for the OTS tunes and ease of getting a protune. Guys that go big turbo seemed to lean to OS a bit more since most of them taking that step seem to know their shit anyway and prefer to do it themselves. Even if there was OS for the ms3 I'd probably still keep my AP as long as I had the stock turbo. | ||||||||
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| Laloosh There is 1 or 100 of your type of person in every community that has OS available. One of three things happen to them if they are actually any good. 1 – They somehow continue to help everyone out for free. I admire these people's persistence, ability to deal with all the crap, spend a lot of time/energy/money/resources supporting something that does not support them and takes up every free second of their free time. These people are the vast minority and you can recognize them by the bags under their eyes. I know a local guy that did that for years. Eventually he went the way of #3. 2 – They make tunes for and support everyone for free. Eventually they get tired of the huge support load, dealing with crap for nothing, educating people, and start to hate the community and fall off the map. Someone else replaces them and the cycle repeats. 3 – They go pro. They realize that they are good and can at least make a living doing it. Usually these people go for a solution that is better engineered/supported immediately afterwards. Something like the AccessPORT or ECUTek. Now they have to pay rent on a shop, a dyno, and maybe an employee or two. Eventually they either do well or fall off the map like #2. I was not referring specifically to EVO guys, rather many of the OS users. I am willing to bet that there are many orders of magnitude more large turbo set-ups and the like, that are tuned by professional tuners using engineered/supported methods. They are just not the ones on the forums night and day. I have been doing this for years. Probably since half of you guys were old enough to drive. I have seen trends, fads come and go, what works, what doesn't, and all manner of things. OS has it's place, and it is a good solution for some and has been the start of a few good tuners, but it is not the majority of the overall market.
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| Something I forgot. Most of the time OS relies on some talented professional engineer reverse engineering an ECU before they can do it themselves. Reverse engineering is complicated and time consuming, and the skills to do it are often possessed by those that do it for a living anyway. An OS solution for a car/make/ECU type usually follows a professional company releasing their suite. It is easier to reverse engineer something when someone has already done the hard work for you. So OS pretty much relies on a professional solution in the majority of cases. So without someone like us, there is likely not someone like OS. So you are against “the man” who is basically responsible for what you want to get for free. That is exactly like making a part, some Chinese/Taiwanese/Indian company knocking it off, but worse, and for 1/3 the price. The companies that sell these goods generally do not support them well if at all. This has happened to us too, but is expected when you do something well.
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