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 Old 10-27-2008, 07:54 PM   #1
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I have not figured out how to data log the right settings on my standback yet, but I have one observation I'd like to share(hopefully I'm not the only one.)

I have noticed one major thing about the Flash so far. Where my car used to just die out at 5200-5500, now it seems to have the opposite effect. The power surges all the way to redline, like I just hit the nos button on NeedForSpeed. Sounds great right? Well, its not right. It surges in an un-smooth, un-natural way.

So I have two questions, any one else experience this?

Or do I just need some tuning?
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you still dont want to shift at redline. you may pick up more power past where you did... a couple hundred rpms. but the turbo is still gonna be falling hard as the throttle is pushing the motor. you'll pick up more power to 6000, and some after.... but until you do a turbo upgrade im guessing that throttle after 6000 is not necessary.

that said... ive never driven in a stock turbo, fully bolted, fcf car.... so anybodys impressions on this Id also like to hear and learn from.
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i'm on a ptp reworked turbo, intake, tbe, upgraded fuel pump car with the flash - i have a lot more power all the way up to 6200-6300. i'm not having any issues with unsmooth/unnaturalness.
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How much boost are you running. It's possible your turbo is on the way out, it's way out of it's efficiency range above about 16psi at 6500rpm..especially if you still on the stock IC..
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you still dont want to shift at redline. you may pick up more power past where you did... a couple hundred rpms. but the turbo is still gonna be falling hard as the throttle is pushing the motor. you'll pick up more power to 6000, and some after.... but until you do a turbo upgrade im guessing that throttle after 6000 is not necessary.

that said... ive never driven in a stock turbo, fully bolted, fcf car.... so anybodys impressions on this Id also like to hear and learn from.
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I know prior to the Flash, I had eliminated most of that wall past 5500 RPM, but the Flash opened it more...though I did lose a few HP from 5500-redline due to the turbo losing steam...

None the less, the power gain felt through the dyno butt was/is impressive!! I don't care what that dyno said, the car feels/pulls a lot harder and longer...

To answer your question, no, I've never felt an uncontrolable surge per say... Yes, on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, there is an uncontrollable surge thats like one of our fellow members put it, "she pulls like a raped ape"...
Other than that no...

I have noticed and I don't know if its the Flash or just the nature of the car that there is no part throttle on this car... On the track, I try to part throttle it and it keeps accelerating. Anything past 33% throttle and the car just pulls. I was wondering if it had anything to do with the Flash, as in anything past a certain voltage input and the throttle plate automatically opens 100%. Or can you control it, for example steady it to 60%, 80%, or 95% throttle. I just thought that it was due to the turbo out it just naturally wants to spin thus accelerating the car.
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since it's using drive by wire, the on/off nature of the car can completely be controlled with the proper throttle mapping. depending on how you map your TPS as compared to gas pedal position, your power can appear to come on more linearly. christian fooled around with some throttle mappings on my car, and it gave me way more control over how much the throttle was open based on pedal position.
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I know prior to the Flash, I had eliminated most of that wall past 5500 RPM, but the Flash opened it more...though I did lose a few HP from 5500-redline due to the turbo losing steam...

None the less, the power gain felt through the dyno butt was/is impressive!! I don't care what that dyno said, the car feels/pulls a lot harder and longer...

To answer your question, no, I've never felt an uncontrolable surge per say... Yes, on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, there is an uncontrollable surge thats like one of our fellow members put it, "she pulls like a raped ape"...
Other than that no...

I have noticed and I don't know if its the Flash or just the nature of the car that there is no part throttle on this car... On the track, I try to part throttle it and it keeps accelerating. Anything past 33% throttle and the car just pulls. I was wondering if it had anything to do with the Flash, as in anything past a certain voltage input and the throttle plate automatically opens 100%. Or can you control it, for example steady it to 60%, 80%, or 95% throttle. I just thought that it was due to the turbo out it just naturally wants to spin thus accelerating the car.
That is more or less what I was trying to say. It could be the turbo, but that does not seem to make sense. That would be a huge turbo surge.
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Originally Posted by AutoXRacer View Post
I know prior to the Flash, I had eliminated most of that wall past 5500 RPM, but the Flash opened it more...though I did lose a few HP from 5500-redline due to the turbo losing steam...

None the less, the power gain felt through the dyno butt was/is impressive!! I don't care what that dyno said, the car feels/pulls a lot harder and longer...

To answer your question, no, I've never felt an uncontrolable surge per say... Yes, on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, there is an uncontrollable surge thats like one of our fellow members put it, "she pulls like a raped ape"...
Other than that no...

I have noticed and I don't know if its the Flash or just the nature of the car that there is no part throttle on this car... On the track, I try to part throttle it and it keeps accelerating. Anything past 33% throttle and the car just pulls. I was wondering if it had anything to do with the Flash, as in anything past a certain voltage input and the throttle plate automatically opens 100%. Or can you control it, for example steady it to 60%, 80%, or 95% throttle. I just thought that it was due to the turbo out it just naturally wants to spin thus accelerating the car.
are you feeling this "pulls like a raped ape" with just the flash, or is it the flash and the StandBack or AP? At the moment i am untuned and i still feel the TQ mgt system on this car kick in. Also throttle and pedal callibrations are different for sure on most cars...When i just tested drove the STI, you damn near have to go WOT to get it to move. ...on the Mazda it goes before flooring it.
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electronic throttle control. The flash is bad ass, I am just a noob when it comes to understanding the throttle control. If I floor the car now, all I see is the traction control light. That is with the DSC on.
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