Water/Meth

[Bravnik]

I have been doing some research on this and I think I will be going with a Water/Met solution soon. I will be using a MAF system to allow progressing injection.

My goals at this time are not more HP per say (as there is really no tuning options at this time). My hopes is that Water/Meth will increase my Octane % to counter the cheap 91% octane in CA of which 10% is Ethanol. I think the Water/Meth should raise my Octane rateing above 100% which should do 2 things for me;

1. Stop the stumbling completely as I think it's more to do with the gas at this point.

2. I think this car over compensates for the gas. Meaning I think I get knock retard of 1-6 degrees depending on the gas I use (WOT). If I get a better octane rating, then the knock should go away and the ECU would have no reason to retard timing. This could equal more HP though that is not my goal.

When I do the install I will also do a How To with Pics. I will be getting Dyno'd on the 12th with my current mods and I will get one again once the Met Kit is installed (I don't think it will be here in time for the 12th).

Anyway.....Comments?!

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by Bravnik I have been doing some research on this and I think I will be going with a Water/Met solution soon. I will be using a MAF system to allow progressing injection. My goals at this time are not more HP per say (as there is really no tuning options at this time). My hopes is that Water/Meth will increase my Octane % to counter the cheap 91% octane in CA of which 10% is Ethanol. I think the Water/Meth should raise my Octane rateing above 100% which should do 2 things for me; 1. Stop the stumbling completely as I think it's more to do with the gas at this point. 2. I think this car over compensates for the gas. Meaning I think I get knock retard of 1-6 degrees depending on the gas I use (WOT). If I get a better octane rating, then the knock should go away and the ECU would have no reason to retard timing. This could equal more HP though that is not my goal. When I do the install I will also do a How To with Pics. I will be getting Dyno'd on the 12th with my current mods and I will get one again once the Met Kit is installed (I don't think it will be here in time for the 12th). Anyway.....Comments?!

Why use a progressive kit. I mean how long does it take to go from 5 or 7 psi to full boost? Near no time at all. Get an on off kit that is meth compatible.

It will be a great solution for your piss water that you call gas.

It will help with the stumble but that is more of a tune issue then fuel. Get some mods to lean the care out a bit, that will help more then WI.

You will get less knock and more timing, which will lead to more WHP from the car. Remember that you can run a full point leaner with WI/meth running on most cars (this is where the get the additional power from). Not only that but it can be used as a second fuel supply if you are running meth or water meth combo. If you watch the EGT's, knock and AFR's you can lean out safely to the 12's when running WI, thus adding a ton of WHP and WTQ to your set up.

[subparpunk03]

Well, an ON/OFF kit works great for WOT runs... but if you want to use the WI during daily driving with the boost varying on how you are driving, a progressive kit isn't a bad idea.

Also keep in mind you want to have some failsafes set up to open the wastegate if the water flow slows too much or anything fails so you don't explode the engine.

Take a look at Devil's Own or Aquamist.

I have my Aquamist Kit sitting on my kitchen table, I'll be fiddling with it over the next couple of weeks. I'll be sure to keep y'all posted.

[MS34ME]

i pieced together my kit and bought parts individually. expect dyno graphs in the next month.

[subparpunk03]

what did you end up going with?

[cld12pk2go]

sub

[Haltech]

Im working on something myself, so standby.

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by subparpunk03 Well, an ON/OFF kit works great for WOT runs... but if you want to use the WI during daily driving with the boost varying on how you are driving, a progressive kit isn't a bad idea. Also keep in mind you want to have some failsafes set up to open the wastegate if the water flow slows too much or anything fails so you don't explode the engine. Take a look at Devil's Own or Aquamist. I have my Aquamist Kit sitting on my kitchen table, I'll be fiddling with it over the next couple of weeks. I'll be sure to keep y'all posted.

If your going to run a progressive kit I would make sure you put the nossle in the top part of the runner. There is a very bad turn in our intake manifolds that could wet out and let a lot of droplets fall to the bottom of the intake manfiold. If enough were to collect down there over time and then next time you did a big WOT you could suck a big gulp of oil messy water into your motor and go boom from hydrolock. On a car that doesn't have a near 45 degre bend back to feed runners 3 and 4 this wouldn't be a problem. With our cars, it could be.

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by ptperformance If your going to run a progressive kit I would make sure you put the nossle in the top part of the runner. There is a very bad turn in our intake manifolds that could wet out and let a lot of droplets fall to the bottom of the intake manfiold. If enough were to collect down there over time and then next time you did a big WOT you could suck a big gulp of oil messy water into your motor and go boom from hydrolock. On a car that doesn't have a near 45 degre bend back to feed runners 3 and 4 this wouldn't be a problem. With our cars, it could be.

Which runner are you describing to tap?

[Darksun280]

I'm getting a WI kit within the next two weeks cause my cars high boost mode wont work with out 5-6 gallons of race gas mixed in to some 93 or a couple of bottles of octane booster. Which is starting to hurt my pockets.......

[palerider]

Originally Posted by ptperformance If your going to run a progressive kit I would make sure you put the nossle in the top part of the runner. There is a very bad turn in our intake manifolds that could wet out and let a lot of droplets fall to the bottom of the intake manfiold. If enough were to collect down there over time and then next time you did a big WOT you could suck a big gulp of oil messy water into your motor and go boom from hydrolock. On a car that doesn't have a near 45 degre bend back to feed runners 3 and 4 this wouldn't be a problem. With our cars, it could be.

are there any examples of other cars with manifolds like ours where this occurred? wouldnt the heat evaporate it down there?

I really dont want to tap the manifold if i can avoid it. It would have to come off first if we were gonna tap it right?