water/meth goes on next week

[palerider]

so what the hell does that mean...lol

My questions are to everybody who knows my setup.... what should my goals even be? Ive got a cpe intercooler coming along with a standbackV3 upgrade. Standback will run it all with a cpe pump driver whatever the hell that is. marks got all the rest of the shit for the kit including a pump he calls a "fogger" it pushs so much psi.

So anyway.... all the searching in the world basically didnt tell me exactly where i want to tap this thing into. Do we want it between the intercooler and the manifold? where else are my options?

what do I then turn my boost up to? Do I add timing or just boost? I dont even know why the hell Im gonna do this really except it seems like the next step....lol I know mark is gonna do whatever the hell he wants to do, but in order not to have a heartattack.... maybe some of you guys can weigh in and give me some sort of goddam plan..

cause god knows..... im friggin SOOOOOO out of my league now....lol

[Haltech]

Well the first thing you should see, is LOWER boost temperatures. Youre in a unique position since you have that large thumper on your car now. In average, the typical Ms3/6 should see 20 hp at the wheels IF they can add timing to the equation. If you kept the timing stock, you would see a mild bump in power only because of the lower boost temperatures.

Now in your situation... Big thumper, piggyback with timing ability and variable control with it, you should see realistically 30... depends on how much timing you add and how good the variable control works in the standback. Many systems out today, work off an independent controller. So youre going to have to basically purchase a stage 1 kit, most likely from snow, to control your pump. Also, you will immediately have to go to the big nozzle on whichever unit you purchase & POSSIBLY a dual nozzle setup.

The kits i usually use start out with a min of 150 psi pumps, but ive also used systems with 200 psi pumps. The best location for the injection point is at the throttle body.. perhaps, 2-3 inches before it... Soo depending on the discharge piping on the cold side of your new IC will depend on the location of the nozzle. John from PTP feels it should be directly injected over one of the runners due to puddling. However, with my experience in WI, as long as you are using a good kit, the water/meth mixture is so fine, i cant see it puddling.

You can raise boost, timing or a combination of both. Your tuning session is going to determine which best works with your combo. I usually do BOTH.

[subparpunk03]

The basic idea behind it is that a methanol solution (usually diluted with water) raises the octane rating of your fuel, so its like running with race fuel for much much much cheaper. The higher octane fuel will prevent detonation (knock) and allow you to be more aggressive in your tuning.

A side benefit is that the liquid added to the intake air charge will help keep things clean.

As far as where to tap... the intake runners are the best location but the most difficult to tap. I've seen people tap into the endtank of the intercooler, or the cold pipe, I'm not sure where mine is going.

[Haltech]

I dont know why they are tapping end tanks! you want it as close to the intake tract as possible. I havent seen direct inject per runner have any benefit over a single nozzle mounted at the t-body. If this was nitrous, i wouldnt even be bringing it up.. But since its meth, you wont see a big difference other than one hell of a headache splitting that line.

[palerider]

I saw an srt setup where they were tapping the endtank. But I like the idea of tapping the cold pipe right before the throttle body. Makes more sense there.

I didnt think I was anywhere near the power level to use dual nozzles though. Explain to me what the purpose to that even is. And also.... what about a pumps that push over 200 psi, you ever heard of 350psi?

And the pump needs to be below the tank right?

And finally.... assuming there is no failure to the pump/ spray, is my car going to be safer than it is now if i leave the tune Ive got on there, turn the boost up to 20psi and just leave it the same with the timing?

Its possible the bigger ic, with WI gets me close to 400whp.... right? Or is that too lofty a goal? Lots of questions...lol

[ms3guy22]

I was actually suppose to be on my way to maryland this weekend to test out the water/meth controller. But i blew my engine, so Looks like somebody else can pick up on my slack. P.S. paleride, where do you get your tuning done? i'll need someplace close after my engine build. Jordan had given me the parts list and i went out and pieced one together. here is were jordan told me to put the nozzles:
You just cut a small hole in the coupler before the tb, and sandwich the nozzle with the line.

[palerider]

Turbo tune in greensboro, nc. mark Riley is the tuner and hes gotten to know my car pretty damn good. Weve had well over a 100 dyno pulls and lots of tuning and communication with cpe on the standback.

Im glad to hear that they think the tb is ok for the nozzle.

[subparpunk03]

Palerider, I didn't know you were in greensboro, I'm down in Charlotte.

A friend suggested tapping into the silicon tube that connects to the TB... I thought about this and it doesn't seem like a bad idea. Easy to replace if you need to, right before the TB, and easy as hell to tap into, no messing around with drilling into the metal. You would need to epoxy the injector mount into the tube since you really couldn't use the threads.

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by subparpunk03 Palerider, I didn't know you were in greensboro, I'm down in Charlotte. A friend suggested tapping into the silicon tube that connects to the TB... I thought about this and it doesn't seem like a bad idea. Easy to replace if you need to, right before the TB, and easy as hell to tap into, no messing around with drilling into the metal. You would need to epoxy the injector mount into the tube since you really couldn't use the threads.

Devils Own sells a silicone tube tap kit im pretty sure.

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by palerider I didnt think I was anywhere near the power level to use dual nozzles though. Explain to me what the purpose to that even is. And also.... what about a pumps that push over 200 psi, you ever heard of 350psi?