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CorkSport 07-08-2010 11:39 AM

CorkSport Titanium Oil Catch Can
 
We have been looking at building an oil catch can built from Titanium for the Mazdaspeed 3/6. What we are coming up against is the price which would be $149 due to the material and specialized welding required to produce the part. We would make a specific fit installation for the catch cans for the Mazdaspeed models. With the weight of the materials the assembly would weigh 8.5 ounces.

A solid works drawing below is of the idea we have come up with. The can would use stainless steel wool to help separate out the oil from the air in the top of the can.

http://www.corksport.com/images/add_content/OCC.jpg

For options we could oxidize the titanium to give it the purple color or just leave it the natural silver color.

Would you buy it if we made it?

Thoughts, ideas, criticism are all welcome.

-Derrick

volodya84 07-08-2010 11:43 AM

Great Idea, I was looking for something I wouldn't have to mess around with too much. My noob self needs detailed step by step instructions (like your TIP) to do anything. And everything needs to more or less bolt on for me.

When you make the catch can, dont forget to add a second pcv to the system.

nighthawk358 07-08-2010 12:24 PM

please add a second pcv

JumpingJackson 07-08-2010 12:26 PM

Why titanium?

Fagwagon 07-08-2010 12:38 PM

If you make it, make it "bolt on" include a 2nd pcv, include everything needed so its a kit as well as install instructions.

dan7225 07-08-2010 12:49 PM

if you guys are just wanting to make a plain can and nothing else then it might need to be cheaper.

the saiko michi is a good can and is $80-$100, of course its not titanium.
seems most people here are about more function than finish. but if it is constructed as well or better as a michi can then there are undoubtedly some people that will want a nice looking one.

on a side note, if you can design a whole pcv system that is proven to work better than the factory system then there is quite a chunk of change to be made. ptp's system is still in the works from what i hear. also, most all members will want proof that it works as described.

06Speed6 07-08-2010 01:02 PM

Make sure that the design is large enough to handle the blowby produced by a high boost turbo engine.

Using a media filter on top of the restriction posed by the PCV valve itself can lead to a pressureized crankcase unless the filter media is large enough to flow the required cfm after being fouled by oil and carbon gunk.

A very effective method used by OEMs is to reduce the velocity of the blowby to a low enough speed that the oil cannot remain in suspension and literally drops out of it. This is done by changing the direction of the airflow using a maze type design and by using open chambers

dan7225 07-08-2010 01:09 PM

OCC KITS MAZDASPEED3 - Performance Automotive Engineering

have they ^^^ always included a check valve with their ms3 kit??

R.MS3 07-08-2010 01:21 PM

I would most likely buy it if it came with clear installation procedures and of course, the full kit to get it running...

triplejumper18 07-08-2010 01:24 PM

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Jarods7920 07-08-2010 01:54 PM

If its specific bolt on that would be really coo.

speedtown 07-08-2010 03:10 PM

triplejumper that must be mattdamonds OCC he sells right? haha



If the kit had hose color options and was the complete kit with the hoses all pre cut and straight bolt on I'm sure a lot of people would buy it.

CorkSport 07-08-2010 04:46 PM

We are looking at offering a bolt on kit with specific cut hoses and installation instructions.

The design of the can which is not shown is to have two sections holding the large gauge media to catch the oil vapor and allow it to drain off. This is still an idea which is why we put it up to get feedback from everyone.

I have sent our product engineer a link to the forum post so he can look over the information people have posted up.

Titanium is lightweight like aluminum but more durable.

-Derrick

volodya84 07-08-2010 09:30 PM

Derrick this is a great project you guys are toying with actually getting done for us. We need this to come out asap. Please offer a group buy when it is ready.

skeeter149 07-08-2010 10:01 PM

i am interested. i had a greddy universal but hated the size and fit. i am in if the install is easy and the thing stays access-able. how will you know when it is full is there a thing to check?

HLR Element 07-08-2010 10:17 PM

I don't see it being practical for you guys to make this. Matt Damond already makes a great kit for a cheap price. You are already starting with titanium and making it expensive. And if you locate it low... I don't see the need for good looks, and our terrible weight distribution can handle a few ounces over yhe front from a occ.

06Speed6 07-08-2010 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CorkSport (Post 573280)
We are looking at offering a bolt on kit with specific cut hoses and installation instructions.

The design of the can which is not shown is to have two sections holding the large gauge media to catch the oil vapor and allow it to drain off. This is still an idea which is why we put it up to get feedback from everyone.

I have sent our product engineer a link to the forum post so he can look over the information people have posted up.

Titanium is lightweight like aluminum but more durable.

-Derrick

For your engineer, I cant remember what fps the air speed has to fall below for the oil to drop out of suspension in a maze type system, but its fairly low.

For catch cans some aftermarket companies use a centrufical type airflow patern where the blowby enters the catch can at the top along the wall of the can with the airflow generally flowing around the wall of the can in a counter clockwise fashon. It then flows around the wall of the can at least 360* to the exit tube which faces the clockwise side of the catch can and is located at least a couple inches directly under the inlet tube.

That type of design may be more effective than a media type system and may be cheaper to produce.

CorkSport 07-17-2010 09:56 PM

Jacob our engineer made an update to the design based on feedback.

Jacob's quote "I revised the design to get rid of the steel wool in the middle that might get coated in residue over time. Instead, it has an inlet and outlet that are both tangent to the sidewall. This will basically spin the atomized oil out of the air as shown in the picture. Also, the low pressure created in the bottom will also help suck out any oil that may be trying to make it to your intake tract. We are also looking into a cheaper AL version as well."

http://www.mazdasnw.com/forum/attach...7&d=1279324847


-Derrick

NJSPEED3 07-18-2010 12:46 AM

unless you sell this for $100 or less for a complete kit i dont see you having much sucess. Good luck

Monotonous ONE 07-18-2010 03:39 AM

Im interested. Word on the street is that its a GREAT idea for these engines.


As long as the price is right. (it usually is with Corksport)

Mizzle 07-18-2010 05:14 AM

The edge would really come in with being a full bolt-in kit that's easy to mount, easy to service and effective at correcting the pcv problems (eg. a 2nd check valve.)

mazdaspeed619sd 11-11-2010 09:59 PM

I am all in for this, I hope I can order this when I order my TBE or if I am too broke my CBE. =)

CorkSport 11-12-2010 08:03 AM

We should have several production parts to use for testing. Once they are finished up we will post up some pictures.

We plan on having bolt in installation kits for the oil catch cans.

-Derrick

cudaman 11-29-2010 11:39 PM

good timing. I will be looking for an OCC soon.

ebnash 12-18-2010 06:59 AM

Any updates on this project?

HurricaneNOLA 12-18-2010 07:35 AM

I am interested in this as well.

rodrigo 12-18-2010 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JumpingJackson (Post 573031)
Why titanium?

because carbon fiber idea was already taken by mishimoto !!!

love the use of fancy materials and shit that sees no stress ever...ever ever ever!!!

but no doubts cool as fuck

jeffdevo 12-18-2010 08:26 AM

i agree no need for titanium. aluminum and titanium I believe are not compatible metals and will corrode over time. Double check for Galvanic Corrosion of dissimilar metals. Correst me if I am wrong.

CorkSport 12-18-2010 08:26 AM

Here is a picture of one of the test pieces.

http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/a...fahlsi/1-5.jpg

We finished up an install in a test vehicle (Mazdaspeed 3 with over 100k) to run it for a few weeks to see how it performs. We installed the can right below the washer fluid reservoir and put a drain plug through the undertray for easy of draining.

http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/a...fahlsi/1-7.jpg

-Derrick

volodya84 12-21-2010 06:37 AM

how much?? do want for my ms6!!!!

Phoenix Speed3 01-01-2011 07:49 AM

bump for more info

Brian MP5T 01-01-2011 10:36 AM

I really like it but Aluminum would probably help with the cost and honestly.. Nobody would really be able to tell the difference IMO.

CorkSport 01-03-2011 08:18 AM

We are still collecting data on test vehicles with the test parts we have built. When our engineer Jake gets finished we will get our findings posted up.

-Derrick

Brian MP5T 01-04-2011 12:21 AM

Thanks for the update..

Gerottimo 01-14-2011 10:44 AM

Any update? I'm really looking forward to have more info. I was about to buy a OCC but now I'm waiting for you guys.

CorkSport 01-14-2011 12:01 PM

We have several design style in the field for testing right now. When we emptied the first one and we sent off the contents for analysis to get a better idea of the content of the crankcase content.

-Derrick

volodya84 01-14-2011 03:32 PM

How long will it be until you guys release it?

CorkSport 01-14-2011 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by volodya84 (Post 689106)
How long will it be until you guys release it?

We have one more design we want to test out then compare the data to see which works best. If I was to guess the release date for the setup will be March.

-Derrick

Corvette Tuner 01-14-2011 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CorkSport (Post 689168)
We have one more design we want to test out then compare the data to see which works best. If I was to guess the release date for the setup will be March.

-Derrick

Sounds good. I will pick one up when you release it.

FamiliaGT 01-29-2011 10:34 PM

Any good updates thus far?


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